Len, great jigs that will take their share. Under a bobber will get both gills and crappie. I find a slow fall gets more hits, but hurrying a 1/80 to do anything is crazy. I tied some 1/80 with hackle V's and mini chenille and they came out great. Gave them away so I can't post the pics but will tie more in a while and post em. Skip, those look real good to me.