Good looking wraps with just getting it. Very nice. I will see if I can find what is considered the fly tyers bible on hackle. All I remember off the top of me head that a size 8 streamer hook only needs 5-6 wraps from bend to eye. It doesn't take much for sure, the idea is to give it a profile and give the fish something to feel in it's mouth so it holds on longer.

I can't wait to get that long whooly bugger saddle from Skip. It will be so much easier than my saddle hackle to tie small jigs and flies.

Have fun with it and remember to save those tips and butt sections. Too many uses for them to throw them away.