Hey guys, just found a site that was very helpful, thought i would pass it along. The site is called flyfishohio.com If you go to the site map, you can find a detailed review and breakdown of tying vises. They break them down into price categories, which I found very helpful. It has a scoring system broke down into several categories and has opinions from experienced tyers. Hope it helps any of you looking for your first vise, or maybe even an upgrade.