PapaP: Don't completely give up on the site because of a few heavy handed, 'thin skinned' individuals. There are still ALOT of good people here that are willing to openly share information/tips/tricks and swap out some excellent tied jigs. I am on many (too many) fishing forums and dis-agreements pop up from time to time on ALL of them. I am sure you saw the recent stink on the OGF hardwater forum about the picture of that big musky. Just have to take the good with the bad, sort through a little BS, pick your battles wisely and bite your tounge sometimes. I'll be the first to admit i have trouble following those last 2 rules! :D Your friend - u'know'me