I know Brenda but havent stopped in the shop didnt know anything about John, but will find out what I can and get back to you. When we finally had ice to ice fish last year, everbody round here couldnt find any grubs, mousies or bee moths, I drove up to Lake Monroe, bought 50 bucks worth and scattered the bait around to those that wanted it around here and a few guys tried Dogwood making it look like Swiss cheese with nothing caught thru the ice. All the small ponds around Dogwood were hammered with guys keeping all those small fish and I mean it was ugly!