I have taken a few at 4lbs,,and quite a few small ones under 14 inches when trolling crankbaits and long lining RR with curley tail grubs in chartreuse color and orange/yellow color but hard to locate. Quite a few people catch them off the points and rocky areas fishing minnows as they are fishing for crappies. My best luck is spring, early summer before the water hits 80 degrees. I have tried them at the dam area at nite and painters creek area,,but hard to find even using crawler setups as well as minnows. Hard to pattern even tho over the years DNR has released a lot of fry. Good luck in your endevors.