ok thanks for replies looks like would be better off at Shelbyville or Kinkaid. Have had moderate success at Shelbyville tried Kinkaid twice but both times we had terrible Weather not the lakes fault just bad timing. I have been to rend and was not impressed I know it is supposed to be a great lake but would need quite a few trips to try and figure it out. And a windy day on Rend isn't much fun.