Believe me Keith, i'm lifting, using a vex, and a spring bobber rod. I've put it right in their face and they just follow it up. I slow rised it all the way from the bottom to the ice. They follow all the way to 3 ft, sometimes, as i stop it and jiggle it. Let it sit for almost a minute then begin again. They just wont hit it. I go to a pink and white teardrop, tipped with a few maggots, and get a few to hit. I even tipped it with 1 maggot at times. I think it's just the color that i'm using. I'll try again tomorrow.