Thanks papsage! They are the 2 closest lakes to me and I'm still learning their lay out and haven't had much luck on either one....yet. I bought a topo map of West Point and thought I'd try that and use the map to help me find some spots. I'm going to try and find someplace that sells minnows as I prefer using live bait even if it's just tipping my jigs. When you say drop shot rig do you put the sinker above or below the hook?