Yes I know, but the lowrance is good, and I just got and installed the motor guide xi5 trolling motor, looking forward to having them work together. Plus the garmins didn't have a touch when I got the 840 xs. I still don't know what they have out there for 2015. And to be honest, I done with experimenting with all these pricey toys. Garmin / hds 3 ? I'm done for a while.