I started this thread to get some conversation going regarding winter time fishing, and it certainly accomplished that. I knew getting boating access through the refuge was going to be a hard sell, but alternatives have been presented and I know both the USACE and MDC are listening to us. I know they are sympathetic to all users and I believe if their checkbooks were full enough, they would build a nice winter ramp......sadly there is only so much grant money around each year and I'm sure the list is very long. I'm grateful some of you guys and gals post to this thread and keep it alive so all the agents who check in here keep seeing it.....keep it in their heads for the time when they are asked about projects at Smithville, maybe a new ramp will be brought up.