As yu say bd40, it will not be decided here but by contacting the legislators and letting your feelings known will carry more weight. Unfortunately the secretary never returned my call. The numbers posted above are indeed interesting but in my opinion fall well short of some of the questions posed. If one takes the time to read through the whole survey mentioned above, some other interesting facts come to light. For instance 33000 is the number mentioned about over 65 permits. What about the 178,000 unlicensed resident not counting non-resident free permits for those who fished ages 6 to 15? The play was made that we need the 65 year olds to insure the future for these youngsters. A raise in fees for all us in between could have offset the fees for both the oldsters and the youngsters, after all in their own words hey 18 bucks is cheap lets double or triple it and insure the benefit for both groups. Why all of a sudden are we so concerned aout the future generations to come when it is quite apparent that more and more of them are leaving this sport? Lets really get behind the future and throw that age group in the mix and when all said and done lifetime permits will soar as it is such a great deal. What happens when they start outliving the lifetime permit, after all the funding does run out for these as stated in another thread. Oh wait a minute, it's about numbers not price come on guys which is it numbers or price that dictates the dollars!! okay, lets take everyone into the fold and lower the cost for all to achieve the numbers you politicians seek. Why burden 33 thousand when we spread it out for an additional 211 thousand added to the 200 and some odd thousand? Wait, whats that you say, the future generations should NOT be held accountable for something they will use, isn't that the awful word "entitlement" Pray tell me what makes their entitlement more important than the over 65 people!! The politicians like to speak in generalities and how they're looking out for the future!! Where are the numbers of how many will be driven from the sport or just say to heck with it and move on to another hobby? Think it can't happen? Take a look again at all the facts that say the future 6 to 15 year olds just ain't interested in the sport and no amount of entitlement will increase a generational feeling or lack thereof!! This reeks of what happened to KPERS where did all that money go? Are we sure this money will go where you say it will, after all the other politicians promised the same thing and now all of a sudden it is gone, caused by the baby boomers of course, not the inflated promises and outright robbery by the current politicians. How does a supposed fiscally conservative Sam Brownback get elected then appoint a secretary whose first year in office is to broaden the tax base that is equitable to all using the resource? Yes I have posed this question and am also still awaiting an answer from the high office.