w e have raised 10000oooooooo of those big juicy fish.catching worms,at one time we the biggest producer around.We had over 4,000 trees but we no longer are able continue to work the worm trees ,but maybe I can get yousome to get started, there are a few tricks of the trade Ican help you with. My son works in the Knob at Whiteman maybe he can bring some on a return trip from home.