Tony, what were you thinking? This REALLY should be in the Moderated Board. You are giving priceless(and I do mean priceless!!) information to all the Lurker lOSERS out there. This knowledge does not come easy. It takes countless fishless days on the water, thousands of knee-broken poles, hundreds of dollars of tackle frustratedly hurled into lakes all across Arkansas, to gain this type of info. Why'd ya do it Tony, why'd ya do it?