Almost forgot...just got in some river rockers from lindy...odd looking little crankbait...looking at it from the side and especially from the top...and a lot smaller than I thought...I got the aunt creepy 3/16 ounce, a lot greener on top than the picture...have not taken them fishing yet...they are maybe 2 inches long...and not much bulk...hmmmm, considering what I paid for the river rockers doesnt make much sense about what I said about the arkie crappie cranks...nevermind...