creekslick , thanks for the response . I totally understand it now . Man it takes a lot of money to get serious at all these different techniques . I just bought 200 dollars worth of hi tek rod holders for spider rigging and still need a couple more poles . It is not like i don't have thousands tied up in all my bass stuff and now you have me interested in the crankbait deal ...... I THINK I NEED MENTAL HELP !