dang, thanks billy, you know brain cells are hard to maintain when you reach geezer-ism, which i did five or six years ago. my boys were around 8 and 12 at that time and there was always a youngster around 16 or so waiting on you to help you unload your boat for a tip. my boys, being the little wise acres they were, nic named him junior samples. boy i got some great memories fishin with those two clowns.