yellow jacket im speaking of the black river. Guys thanks for the help. On the spider rigging thing. I not talking about the actual main channel but the back outs and corner inlets etc,.. where my structure is. Most all of it is just a few feet outside the main current and in eddys. I had success getting rigged up with spider rig and ease into to those areas, but i have learned to limit my poles to 3 so far. I was just wondering how many of you guys out there do it. It can be hard at times but fruitful also...