Thanks, gonna have to think hard about a river boat, do I keep my Magnum or sale it and get a tiller steer mod v in the 1542 range. Got the spread sheet together and looked at all the sites on line, read a bunch of the threads on here and came up with 25 criteria to judge the boats against, evaluated 20 boats against my criteria, the 1860CRSC and the 1754CRSC came up number 1 and 2, with the SeaArk CRX190 coming in number three. Lowe ST175 finished mid pack and the G3's brought up the rear. Think I will keep my list up and see what other criteria come along and continue rating the boats until around March and then decide which one to get.