I don’t use em and taught the grandkids with spinning. Sorry I’m no help. I do want to share a story similar to Jacks. Camryn wasn’t 10 and we were fishing near a bridge with rip rap but off of the rocks. 1/32 with a panfish assassin body so you know the size and a 5’ four pound test setup and she says fish. The drag starts screaming, then she starts screaming, then the 10 folks on a dock 30’ away start cheering. She has no control at all, then I see why. She’s hooked into about 5 lbs of LMB who is now running back and forth through a good sized branch so I knew the eventual outcome. He ran back and forth about 4 times before the line was too tangled and audibly snapped. She was crushed and the spectators began clapping. All total less than ten seconds. She talks about this still almost ten years later. Love moments like those, I can still see it all in my mind. Thanks for letting me go off track.