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    My fishing buddy is a much more experienced crappie fisherman than I am. And he consistently out-fishes me. I know it's not supposed to be a competition and it isn't, but it's more fun to catch fish than to watch the other guy catch them. We mostly fish brush piles and we do some dock shooting and trolling, but let's just talk about brushpile fishing. Straight down, usually 10 - 20 feet of water. Yesterday, he only used a store-bought marabou jig with a white tail and a chartreuse body. He probably out-fished me at least 3 to 1. I never caught a single crappie on the jig he was using. The ones I caught were all on a green jig that I tied myself. Even if I held 2 poles, one with his jig and one with mine, I only caught them on my jig. I was fishing at 18 feet and the Garmin said the fish were at 18 feet and deeper. He has a different way of measuring out his line and said he was fishing at 18 feet, but I can't say we were at exactly the same depth. I have measured a 2 foot mark on my rod, and the rod is 6 feet long, so I begin with enough line that it's the same length as the rod, then I measure out, 6 2 foot lengths, for 18 feet. I have a super sensitive rod and braid line, so I don't think I'm missing bites. He also uses the braid line. We both use a mono leader. Same or similar knot. If he uses a split shot, so do I. So, if you were in the same situation, getting outfished with the same jig, what would you do to try to catch more fish? Do I need to fish deeper or shallower, and if so, by how much? What else could I try to catch more fish? Thanks

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    First I think the action you're giving the bait or aren't giving the bait. Does he dead stick more or twitch it more? I've seen on LS they prefer a slight rise in the bait sometimes. Try just gently lifting it and letting it fall. Try no action at all. Keep changing action trying to match his best you can.

    Second if everything is the same I would say depth... I've seen first hand the importance of fishing correct depth sometimes. Yes they feed up and yes they will go down, but most times I almost have to stick it right in there face to get a bite. As for where to move it hard to say but I would adjust based on best guess and keep adjusting until you find right depth. Maybe if he is willing you both find your depth then actually compare the amount of line out.

    Hopefully some of this is helpful. Good luck.

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    He may be on top of the fish and you are off to the side. Fishing deep water reefs in saltwater. The folks closest to the transducer catch more fish. The boat is holding over the reef. So the back of the boat caught considerably more fish. Sometimes it is all about location
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    The difference between how he fishes and how you fish is subtle. You may be overworking the bait while he is just gently lifting it. Watch is movements very closely and mimic what the does. I have a old fishing partner would outfish me every trip. He was in his 70's and forgot more about crappie fishing than I will ever know. He explained to me that sometimes crappie only want a bait a certain way. Sometimes the bit because they are hungry and other times it is simply aggression. Each day is different and you have keep trying different methods until you unlock the secret. He is the one who taught me that thinner line will bring you more bites on average.

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    Maybe a slightly long and thinner leader? Also, don't discount keeping your hands clean.

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    Guessing but he is holding bait still and you have too much action. Try pitching over the top of them too. Sometimes they like the it moving horizontally.
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    Most of the time I have found less action to be more to their liking
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    Try Vertical Casting :

    That’s what I call it, anyway. Others may have another name, or many other names, or may just consider it a variation or part of “vertical jigging”. Decide for yourself.

    What is “Vertical Casting” – simply put, it’s letting out line until the bait hits bottom or is obviously deeper than the Crappie are suspended … then slowly reeling the bait back up. You are, in essence, “casting” straight down (vertical) and reeling straight up. I don’t call it vertical “jigging”, because I don’t impart any extra movement to the bait. I don’t jerk, jiggle, shake, or cause any added movement to the bait as I reel it back up. In fact, I try and keep the rod & reel as still as possible.

    How do you “Vertical Cast” – disengage your reel and allow the bait to drop straight down to the bottom, or deep enough that you are sure the bait has dropped below the depth of the fish. Engage the reel and very slowly start reeling back in. Hold the rod lightly in your hand (don’t grip it tight, as that will wear your hand and arm out, and it may effect your ability to detect a light strike). The rod should be in a comfortable position, in relation to your body, but your arm should not be resting on anything. The rod tip should be pointing straight out from you and the rod should be parallel to the water’s surface (what’s commonly known as the 9 o:clock position). A good, smooth winding reel is essential. Reeling “slowly” means taking 5-7 seconds to make one full turn of the reel handle. The bigger the reel (or reel spool) or the faster the reel’s line pickup speed – the slower you’ll need to turn the handle. You want the bait to take several seconds to rise a foot up thru the water column. This will give fish, in the most neutral of moods, a chance to ease over and sample your offering.

    Where do you “Vertical Cast” – anywhere … but, especially in places or under circumstances where normal, horizontal casting isn’t possible, or when fish are deeper than you can reach them with your normal casting (distance) methods. Some situations that I use a “vertical cast” are: blown down trees with branches that are too numerous or thick to get a bait far enough down in them (with normal casting methods)… deep brush piles … submerged standing trees with multiple branches …bridge/boat dock pylons … when there are overhead or overhanging obstacles that won’t allow me to make a cast or accurate presentation … and when it’s too windy to get a light bait on light line to sink deep enough to get to the fish. I also use it on cover that I’ve already cast to, to probe deeper into the cover, from the vantage point of directly overhead.

    What “bait” do you “Vertical Cast” – normally I use jigs … tube jigs, grub/jighead, hair/feather jigs, and even jig/minnow. Most of the time I use a weedless jighead, but I do, on occasion, use a non-weedless one. The size of the jighead, or actually the weight, ranges from 1/64oz to 3/16oz - but, you can use heavier or lighter ones – depending on how receptive the fish are to them. Most of the time I’m using a 1/16oz … and since I’m using a free spooling “spinning” reel and light line – and I’m “casting” straight down – it seems to be an all around good weight/size. The “plastics” I put on my jigheads are from 1 inch long to 2.5 inches long … generally approximating the smaller sized baitfish of the lake.

    What is happening during “Vertical Casting”, that causes a Crappie to bite? It is my belief that the fish see the bait as a forage fish or aquatic creature, rising slowly towards the surface. Possibly they see it as an injured baitfish, or just one that is feeding on the plankton or algae, and not paying attention to any predator threat. It’s one of the reasons I don’t impart any extra action to the bait. If you’ve noticed minnows around cover, they aren’t usually zigging and zagging … but, seem to just be slowly meandering among the branches and minding their own business. Crappie are not “dash and slash” feeders. They are, for the most part, “ambush” feeders that slip up from behind and under their prey … slowly, so as not to alarm the prey, but deliberately in a “stalking” manner. The slowly rising bait gives them ample opportunity to realize that this “meal” is an “easy target”, and they won’t have to expend much energy to capture it. And don’t worry about coils in the line, causing the bait to come to the surface in a circling motion. That’s not necessarily a bad thing – minnows seldom rise to the surface like a floating stick. They do tend to “circle” around and around and back and forth as they feed and or come up shallower.

    How will you know when a Crappie has taken the bait? A hit, or strike, on a rising jig can come in many forms. You may get a yank, a “tic” (very light tap or yank), a feeling of mushy “weight” (like dragging up a leaf or chunk of moss), a sideways movement in the line, or your line may suddenly go slack (and you know the bait isn’t on the bottom). Any of these, and any other movement of the line or rod tip that you don’t cause to happen – could be a “hit”, and you should set the hook with a lifting of the arm and an upward snapping of the wrist. Holding the rod/reel lightly in your hand will telegraph even the lightest “bump”, so watch the line in conjunction with feeling with the rod, and you’ll soon figure out the difference between bumping a branch and getting a bite.

    I didn’t “invent” this method, and take no credit for doing so. I just use it, with good results, and just gave it a “name” to distinguish it from like methods and variations of established methods – you call it what you like, but give it a try. I hope you have as much success with it as I do …Luck2ya … CrappiePappy
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    What else could I try to catch more fish?
    Switch rods with him for 30 min.

    If he still outfishes you with your rod, humbly ask for lessons.

    Good Luck

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    Sometimes guys just have the touch. I fish crappie docks, vertical jigging in brush. There is one guy we don’t even ask if he’s catching fish just how many. His only competition is a 15 year old that out fishes 95% of us.


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