Thread: Gamakatsu 604 vs 114 for crappie jig pour

I can ask a guy that I buy my heads from, but it may take me a little while to get back. I will try to see though.

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Originally Posted by skiptomylu

I can ask a guy that I buy my heads from, but it may take me a little while to get back. I will try to see though.

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Skip, I appreciate it.

I would bet its the 114. It's light wire. The 604 is heavy wire. You should not have to modify the mold much at all, maybe a bit with a #1. I pour them all the time in the Ultra Minnow mold that takes 570/575 with 0 modification needed.

Those BPS jigs he's talking about, I wouldn't consider them "lightwire". They are pretty stout. I haven't straightened a hook yet. Line breaks. I will post a pic of them.

Originally Posted by Gabepeeps

Those BPS jigs he's talking about, I wouldn't consider them "lightwire". They are pretty stout. I haven't straightened a hook yet. Line breaks. I will post a pic of them.

I wouldn't consider the 604 heavy wire, but I guess it would be for panfish. For bass fishing and saltwater I'd just call it a normal hook even though they call it "heavy wire."
If you have some calipers, Barlow's has wire diameter's listed. Might be the best way to ID the hook.

When it comes to hooks I have handled a few in my time. What one company calls light wire does not mean light wire from another company. A example, if you had a hook with the diameter of a Bic pen and had another hook the diameter of the tube that holds the ink. The ink tube would be considered a light wire only due to size of the hooks. If you take that light hook and compared it to hooks from another company it might very well be considered a heavy duty model. Each company has their own size charts they go by and the wire they need to use to get that size. 99% of the time a lighter wire hook will be a smaller diameter thus would be easier to fit in a standard mold. If you go with a heavier hook you may need to modify the mold because the shank is larger where it goes out the bottom of the head or the eye will be larger or thicker so the eye slot will need to be modified to fit. The eye maybe longer or shorter on the heavy duty so that will need to be modified to fit too. All the gami's I have dealt with are stout made hooks in either light wire or heavy duty. When a hook cost that much the quality control is much better and you usually get what you pay for. Say you compare a Gami to a Sickle, there is only one thing that comes to mind, USUALLY BOTH are SHARP!!!!! but as they say the buck stops there..Sickles quality controls is almost non existent, as each box you open is like a Christmas present, you have no idea what you are going to get..pretty good hooks and assorted pieces and mystery junk that makes you wonder how in the world...and why would they send this. But back to the ? At hand and off the soap box, unless you want to do some mold work I would go with the lighter wire and keep my fingers crossed that you still don't have to do a little mold tinkerin'...remember a light wire Gami is still stronger than most standard hooks they are out there..but that's just my dollar's worth....lol...good luck...

Not sure about all of this but I do know a gamakatus 604 is a very expensive hook and way to much for crappie. This is the hook for most bass jigs. Shaky heads and the herring head for do it molds.

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