On a more ominous note, Duke Power which obviously is either incompetent or purposely negligent, also operates nuclear reactors.
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On a more ominous note, Duke Power which obviously is either incompetent or purposely negligent, also operates nuclear reactors.
So it sounds like someone got caught trying to pay someone off!!
It does seem to have that smell to it. That policy has run rampart by government and many big businesses, and is one of the reasons we are in so much trouble nowadays. B=Quote:
Originally Posted by NavyAngler
Now you're getting really scary; When that stuff gets loose in our waters, we might as well but our fishing poles in the barn for a long while. B-Quote:
Originally Posted by speKzilla
Saw a report yesterday that they messed up the levels of arsenic on the original report and now say they are at dangerous levels.
Yes, it sounds that way. It's not a real stretch of the imagination ............. on the other hand it could be that someone just wants you to think there was pay off. It's politics, the truth is unavailable.Quote:
Originally Posted by NavyAngler
Please keep politics out of this. Even tho it probably applies. If you really want to discuss the politics of all this take it to the "Way off topic" forum. Thanks.
Thanks for the reminder Bill. It's hard to keep politics out of it and it's gonna get harder as time goes on, but we do need a place to simply keep up with the spill as it affects the fishery. For my part I'll do my best to stay on topic.
http://us4.campaign-archive1.com/?u=...&id=07bee4e8ae
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The DHHS Division of Public Health recommends that people not consume any fish or shellfish collected from the Dan River in North Carolina downstream of the Duke Power-Eden spill site.
Here's another link that some might find informative(or not) -> http://danriverspill.ncdenr.gov/
Thanks to Duke Power, for adding some heavy metals to the watershed, so much a 8'' crappie will now weigh 2.7 pounds. Citations for everyone.
Dang I hate it for you guys down that way. I have a trip planned to buggs in a couple weeks...might be cancelling my reservations!
Gene caught about 50 last Saturday in Buffalo Creek.Quote:
Originally Posted by crappie_dan
crappie dan,as of yet Buggs is no problem by the ash yet,i would keep in touch,but with fish going into creeks ,I don't think this year it will be a big problem,carried Don teusday and we caught 65 but most were small,Don did get a good 14 or better,could see schools all in the back if you like to troll,i don't do much of that,love that tick
Thanks genec. My main concern is the consumption of contaminated fish. Have you heard of any consumption advisories yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by genec
On the news tonight they are saying that it will cost Duke At least 70 million to clean up what can be cleaned up of the spill, and relocate 30+ other holding pits to new lined pits away from any waterways. IMO, they should be fined an equal amount, and the utility commissions should not allow any rate increases that would offset Duke's costs. Let it be a lesson for Duke, and its stockholders to not place profits ahead of the cost of doing what is necessary to protect the environment. I don't think that anyone has an inkling of an idea as to what the far-reaching effects of this spill will have om the waters, fish, and human physiological consequences. It may be many decades before all the, now hidden, effects become apparent. All I can say is, it's one mell-of-a-hess that didn't have to happen; and the blame rests on Duke and NCDENR for being complicit in their responsibilities to the welfare of the public. B-
Everyone in the know seams to be silent,only heard not to eat fish on the dan river,they are checking kerr but who know when we will hear the answer
You can be sure of one thing - - - - when it comes to big government and, or, big business, you won't hear much; not when they know that they are in trouble. Transparency is a joke - - - on us. If we knew what was in all the food that we eat, we would probably starve to death. B-Quote:
Originally Posted by genec
Please keep politics out of this discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhgammon
Sadly, politics seem to be an integral part of this problem. If the spill does damage to the river or the lakes below it is a shame,fish and fishermen both suffer.The coal ash did not fall from the sky, at least one entity is responsible (Duke) and some state department as tasked to provide oversight. So, pray tell how is discussion to move along if the elephant in the room is to be not to be mentioned. I can understand not wanting to see the usual hysterical partisan tirades, yet to ignore the obvious is in reality obscuring both the problem and possible remedies.
At the age of 73, I probably should keep my mouth shut and just let it pass that my post was interpreted as politicizing. However, after going back and reading what I posted, and looking at my wording, and the intended thought that I was trying to convey to Gene, I want to clarify that I was trying to answer his comment concerning his perception that “everyone in the know seems to be silent”. Assuming that the “everyone in the know” means the entities that have primary responsibility for whatever conditions, and events led up to the spill have been tight-lipped. My comment was only comparing the lack of information being typical of how similar matters are often handled by powerful entities these days.
In respect for this forum, I purposely was careful not to address, political parties, or individuals, and there is the fine line that, regrettably, I seem to have unintentionally crossed.
I admit that, like many of us that treasure our natural resources, I am greatly disturbed by this terrible spill and some of the frustrating shoddy reporting that followed. It seems that today’s journalists have a hard time getting the facts straight before reporting them. I have spent much time digging through all the reports that I could locate and I still have more questions than answers.
My interest is not an agenda of politics, but rather the pursuit of the purpose of this forum, which I believe to be the intelligent use of a natural resource and the passing of information that will preserve, and enhance this resource for the future responsible enjoyment of the public. The misuse of this resource, be it abuse by fishermen, or any action by other parties rubs against the grain of what I and all C.C members should stand for if we expect to pass the pleasure of fishing on to future generations.
I sincerely apologize for the post and I intend to be more careful in future postings.
Respectfully,
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from all that I've read on the subject, it may indeed be yrs before the consumption of the fish becomes a health problem, if at all. I just read that the biologists testin the fish in the Dan its self will be filletin an skinnin the fish before testin for consumption purposes. I was informed several yrs ago by an EPA representative that filletin an skinnin fish took most all the toxins out of the fish. they say they will also test whole fish to see if consumption by other wild life will be affected. hopefully, we will know the results of these tests soon.
This is an interesting article that addresses coal ash toxins. B-Quote:
Originally Posted by fishdoc
http://www.psr.org/environment-and-h...d-leaking.html
Many questions, for instance how will contaminants travel through the food chain? As this site is mostly about crappie, crappie while not the top of the chain are predatory fish, contaminants have a tendency to concentrate as bigger fish feed on smaller fish. Next while the toxins in contaminated fish in and of themselves may be below the danger point one should consider that consumption of these heavy metals is in addition to the toxins already being consumed, at what point this can become a health issue is hard to say.
You're absolutely correct. I have a relative that is now in a nursing home, totally mentally wasted. He was diagnosed with overexposure to lead, and mercury that has undermined his memory and debased his behavior. Several medical procedures have been used to try to flush out the metals but it was too late to reverse the effects. His overexposure came from his occupation, they say, but who knows what part could have been acquired from other sources, such as the cumulative effect of contaminated foods, that possibly may have been the tipping point leading to where his is now. - - - - Food for thought - - no pun intended.Quote:
Originally Posted by speKzilla
For those who read Sunday's VA Pilot there is an interesting article about the spill (page 2 Hampton Roads Section).
Is this it speK? -> http://hamptonroads.com/2014/02/viol...coal-ash-spill
the question I have been looking for is not being answered,that is, how is the water and fish in upper part of lake like Clarksville,is it below level or above ?the toxics I am speaking about,how much is in lake now?
Same here Gene. I'm sure that eventually fish from anywhere in the lake will be affected, but how long will it be before that shows up? I hope there will be routine testing and reporting.
I don't think a 30 acre pond is gonna have a devastatin effect on a 50,000 acre pond. espesciually when ya have as much water flowin thru it as the 4 rivers an numerous creeks put thru this pond. And if its heavy metals that are the worry, won't they be settlin out in the upper lake where the water first backs up? This area has filled up with silt over the last 60 yrs. Will the heavy metals settle thru this silt and become dormant? I know mercury is heavier than mud so this make sense to me.
Wouldn't the issue be more about how much of the toxins the forage fish pick up than about where the material settles in the lake?
(not arguing, I hope the mess is diluted enough that it has very little impact.)
I agree with Keith the crappie in the lake should be ok but i do worry about the bottom fish like cats etc.... I am from TN where the other big spill was and that was the case there for the most part and it went directly into the lake but they should be held accountable none the less!!
I agree, and I don't think that the severity of the spill can mitigate the fact that the material must be retained. With the number of toxic spills that have happened, there seems to be a lack of a deterrent to make industries do everything possible to make sure that it doesn't happen. Penalties need to be at a level that will make it a disaster to the industry that doesn't use the best available engineering practices in containment design and maintenance. B-Quote:
Originally Posted by NavyAngler
Sorry to hear that.