Thread: Mark One Up For The Whiners

Originally Posted by dragline

I have been to those same meetings, sat beside those same people and heard those same things. It amazes me that these people can sit there and listen to quantifiable data, presented by competent & qualified people who we hire to do it, yet, in total disregard to what they just heard, still feel the need to hear themselves talk about something they know absolutely nothing about. The single-polers hate the multi-pole fishermen because it is "assumed" that these multi-polers are catching more fish than they are (greed). I'm a spider-rigger because I choose to fish that way, but the reality is that the single-polers have cleaned my clock more times than I care to admit. The fact that the single-polers choose to sit on top of a brush top all day and clean it of all fish is their business and I feel no need to gripe about it, because at the end of the day we all have to honor the same creel limit. That also happens to be TWRA's position. At this past meeting (and as mentioned by Blueball), TWRA made a compelling case against the need for a reduction to the creel limit. They even went on to say that two good spawning years should result in much better catch rates in the coming years. Yet the unknowing still "raised their hands" in a support of a decreased limit. The difference in this year's "vote" from that of similar past votes however, is that the unknowing (including some guides) have now convinced a commissioner to join their ranks and to voice her support of their ridicules claims. Whats most disturbing to me is that TWRA decided to abandon their own beliefs in order to appease Ms King and her few co hearts. From the outside, the entire process appears to be a sham. Apparently, if the commissioner is local and the guides are local and the vocal unknowing are also local, then (along with a wink and nod of the Commission) they get to make the rules. So, why do we even have TWRA fishery biologists if their recommendations go unheeded. Why do we have a Commission if they are too weak to stand by their own recommendations? The current decision making process is a farce, a total waste of license payers money and is in serious need of a major overhaul.

Well said,agree 100%

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Originally Posted by blueball

Bad spawn years caused a lower keeper rate for alot of people this year.At the twra meeting at paris the biologist presented the info he had and said we've had some of the best spawns he had saw ,they just aren't keeper size yet.From what I see next spring you should see a bunch of 10 in fish.At the end of the meeting they wanted a show of hands for who wanted change and a show for who didn't want change and almost everyone wanted change.Thats the reason for the creel change,majority rules is how things work anymore.

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Mob rule.

I mentioned in a previous post that I was unable to attend this meeting, so I'm not privy to its attendance or how everything went down. However I have attended meetings in the past with a high public attendance and they (the unknowing) babbled on and on and voted the same way that they did at this most recent meeting. Yet, TWRA chose to stick to their guns and not make any changes to creel limits, length limits or pole limits. The thing that is different this year is that they managed to get a commissioner (Ms King) to do their bidding for them at the TWRA Fisheries Committee Meeting. For those of you who haven't seen the video of this meeting yet, then I urge you to click on the following link and see it for yourself. The Crappie segment begins about 1/5 of the way into the video. [URL="https://www.twra.tv/playlist-view/56be4ec7a071565d4a4da242/57db0b61b404cb200b3e69d1"]. I have been told, but can't prove yet, that at least some of the local guides are the ones that got to Ms King and convinced her to recommend the creel reduction. She pretty well said as much in the video. Her presentation for the reduction was weak and was presented as only a "feel good" measure. Yet the TWRA still voted it in. A disgusting display of cronyism.

Sorry, I don't post much, so I'll try the link thing again: https://www.twra.tv/playlist-view/56...04cb200b3e69d1

Originally Posted by dragline

Sorry, I don't post much, so I'll try the link thing again: https://www.twra.tv/playlist-view/56...04cb200b3e69d1

From what I heard at the meeting some of the guides were talking with twra about pole limit outside after the meeting.Havent watched the video,may later.

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That doesn't surprise me one bit. You guys who like to fish with more than one pole had best get ready...we're next. Now that these guys (guides) have a puppet on the commission, nothing is beyond their reach.

How does one start the process of removing an ineffective and unethical commissioner?

I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but .... why in the world would guides want a reduced creel OR pole limits ??

KY already has the reduced creel on Ky/Barkley (20/person/day) and I haven't heard much bellyaching about it, since it was reduced.