Battery power consumption question

I've got a MK Max 74 and 2 Group 27s to power it. My boat (aluminum) will cut about 1.8 to 2.0 mph at 40% with it. The question is, how long should I expect to be able to maintain that speed on constant before the batteries give up.

I kind of know the answer already - about 2 - 2.5 hours with my current batteries, but I'm wondering how long I could expect out of a fresh set of batteries. Mine are about 1 year old now, but truth be told, they are mismatched as I added the second after I bought the boat.


Group 31s are not an option for me unless I mount them somwhere other than the back.


Wannabe...

There are too many unknown variables to compute. For instance, how many amps does the motor draw at 40% keeping in mind its not linear? The condition of the batteries, (group 27 are rated at 85-105 amps). Then you have to consider that your motor has a maximizer. When running wide open it basically does nothing, but at 40%, how much current does it save you? Useing guestimates like saying the motor draws 20 amps at 40%, I come up with the same you do, 2-2½ hours. Maybe Canepole can shed some better info on this.

Ibn, you kind of sound like you know what you're talking about. That being the case, what are you doing hanging out here? LOL.

Anyway to measure the draw at a given setting myself? I ain't the swiftest with a volt meter - continuity and voltage is about all I'm good for. :)

The question comes from trolling cranks for the first time. I'd prefer to go off the TM in order to control speed better, but my batts ran down starting about 2 hours into it. Against my own advice, I installed a second batt of a different brand and slightly different age and quality (ie I cheaped out on the second one) when I purchased my boat. I just couldn't see scrapping 2 perfectly good batts just because they were different brands and slightly different in age by a couple of months - both only 8 and 10 months old with little use. But for my cheapness, now I'm not sure what's taking me out of the game 2 hours in - capacity or age on the batts.

Thanks for the help.

Wannabe...

You can't measure the current with a meter. The motor is turned on and off very rapidly to control speed, so the current will be a series of pulses. The pulses happen too rapidly for a conventional current meter to measure. I'd say at 40%, you could guess that you could run about the RC of one battery if they were new. For group 27 batteries, that's usually around 180 minutes.

Get away from the 27 and replace them with 29 s and you will like them much better.

Whoops, I said Group 27s, but I actually have 29s. That's the max size I can shoe horn into my battery compartment and had to do some engineering to accomplish that. There's no way to go to 31s without moving them forward and I really don't have any place to put them short of the front storage boxes....I think the performance of my boat would suffer greatly with that much weight forward. Guess I ought to start saving my pennies for the Optima or AGM batteries for replacements. I understand that both of them are smaller and the group 31s measure about what the 29s do.

Wannabe...

If you have an on board charger make sure it will support AGM batteries of you go that way. Personally I would go with the Optima.

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Guess I ought to start saving my pennies for the Optima or AGM batteries for replacements. I understand that both of them are smaller and the group 31s measure about what the 29s do.

Wannabe...

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Optimas are very small capacity batteries. 153 min RC vs. over 200 minutes for some bigger lead acid batteries (Everstart Maxx 29s and Trojan SC225s) or around 180 minutes for typical group 27 batteries. If you are already limited on your run time, it will probably be shorter with the Optimas.

Hmmm, I know Trojans are top notch, but was thinking the Optimas were up there too. Guess I'll have to break out the BWB battery blowout article and study up a bit. 'Course, I could always just take the rear hatch cover off and plop 2 honkin 31s in there and run like the rednecks do around here when they hop up a truck. LOL. Maybe I could rig up a fake Super Charger intake to really set it off. :)

Wannabe...

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Hmmm, I know Trojans are top notch, but was thinking the Optimas were up there too. Guess I'll have to break out the BWB battery blowout article and study up a bit. 'Course, I could always just take the rear hatch cover off and plop 2 honkin 31s in there and run like the rednecks do around here when they hop up a truck. LOL. Maybe I could rig up a fake Super Charger intake to really set it off. :)

Wannabe...

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Optimas are good batteries. You can abuse the heck out of them and they'll keep going. They charge fast, hold the charge for months without recharging, and last a long time. But they just don't have a high capacity.

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I've got a MK Max 74 and 2 Group 27s to power it. My boat (aluminum) will cut about 1.8 to 2.0 mph at 40% with it. The question is, how long should I expect to be able to maintain that speed on constant before the batteries give up.

I kind of know the answer already - about 2 - 2.5 hours with my current batteries, but I'm wondering how long I could expect out of a fresh set of batteries. Mine are about 1 year old now, but truth be told, they are mismatched as I added the second after I bought the boat.


Group 31s are not an option for me unless I mount them somwhere other than the back.


Wannabe...

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My first question would be; Why are you trolling so fast? 1.8-2.0 ??? I usually troll anywhere from 0.5- 1.2. I had a similar boat w/1 batt for tm, added another one and could pull jigs for 2 days without recharging. Tm was a 55lb mk maxx, 12 volt. 2- 29group interstate batts, 17.5 alum boat. Sounds like one of your batts may be going bad. I would check them before I did anything. You probably just need a couple of good batts.

Trolling Cranks Uncle. I can go 2 days spider rigging with the current batts, dropping the TM down to about 20% and I'll cut around .8 to 1.1 depending.

My dilema is that I don't want to be stuck at the helm trolling with the O/B, I'd rather do it with the TM. But, I'm not sure if I'm asking two much out of a good set of batteries and I don't want to replace mine prematurely since they do fine for every other task I ask of them. In addition, I hate to drop 150-400, depending, only to find out that 2 brand new Group 29s aren't up to the task either.

Haven't really figured out what to do yet. But I'm studying on it.

Wannabe...

Wannabe, I kinda hestate to say much, but I've always run either 27
or 29 series Delco voyagers and seem to be getting much more run time
than that.

You can't really count what I was doing this wkend, pushing with the 8 horse
and steering with the tm - even tho the tm is set on 40-50 percent,
I don't think it is seeing the normal amp draw because the gas motor is
providing 99 percent of the speed, tm is just keeping up and steering.
Anyway, I can do that for two or three days if need be.

Now earlier this year, I pulled some in shallow water with tm only, from
1.5 to 1.8 mph and I know I fished 5-6 hours a few times and still had
two out of four leds lit up on the battery gage :confused:

I know I've spider-rigged into the wind, running tm on 60-70 percent
just to hold still for similar times too.

Yeah J, that's what I'm thinking two. The mismatch in the batteries is coming back to haunt me I think. One is a top quality Deka, the other is a parts house brand cheapo. I figure one is pulling the other down and robbing me of run time. Just trying to figure out with some certainty what I could reasonably expect out of a fresh, matched pair of quality batts and whether I could reasonably expect to get 2 or 3 years out of them using them 6 hours at a time like that for 3 to 4 months of the year.

I'm kind of coming to the conclusion, that without going to 31s, I'd be asking too much of the 29s or they wouldn't hold up for many seasons doing that to them and I'd be better off figuring out how to troll with the O/B.

Anyway, thanks for ya'lls help and helping me think it through.

Wannabe...