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When you all utilize flash materials like Krystal Flash/Flashabou/Flashabou Accent, do you tie it before you tie the material it compliments, like marabou? What I've been doing is tying the flash first, then surrounding it with the other tailing material. I was just wondering what you all do. It appears in some pics like people tie in the flash after they have tied the primary tailing material. It probably does not even matter to the fish. What do you all think?
Flash last for me.
If it's a chenille body jig I'll tie in the tail, usually marabou, then tie in the flash on top of that and spread it out a little around the hook, then tie the rest of the jig as normal.
It's really a matter of where do you want it? Every jig and fly has a pattern to be followed. Might think about the position you want it in first. Once you wrench down on it with thread, it isn't gonna go anywhere the rest of the material won't go.Quote:
do you tie it before you tie the material it compliments
Flash for me is the highlight and the last thing. Well the last thing before the chenille.
Yeah, it depends. As an example, here's a video of Bob Clouser attaching krystal flash to his deep minnow:Quote:
Originally Posted by backtocrappie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kKoF...eature=related
Funny you brought up ole Bob. I saw him on TV about a year ago, the interviewer asked him what had he done with all the money he made from the Clouser Minnow? Bob just chuckled and replied "what money"?
Flies are a different animal from jigs and flash can go most anywhere the recipe calls for. On jigs though If you put it on the outside it will flash much better. Like adding one silver piece of tinsel down each side. If it's inside the feathers it will not show up much.
The Clouser on the other hand is a very sparse material fly so the flash will show through pretty easy.
On a jig I don't think that personally I would ever out in inside. Just my opinion though.
alright, Skip, time to disagree with you:p
I think it is a matter completely of preference. I personally can't stand flash on anything, I have never caught fish with flash. Perhaps its due to how I fish and these high pressure waters I fish. Knowing this, for myself, I'd tie in as little as possible keeping it to the core of of my tail material to reveal itself during jerks and twitches:p Thats not saying I don't use it, I do but it's limited.
Well, I hope he makes a little off his books! They're very nice and informative. Bob seems like a great guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by backtocrappie
I don't use flash all that much on my personal jigs, but I have and have done well with it. However I have a ton of customers that love the stuff and I would say about 1/3 of all the jig I tied last year had flash.Quote:
Originally Posted by backtocrappie
Right now I am doing 2 orders and the first one has 7 different color jigs and 2 have flash.
So where is the disagreement? I am not sure I understand that. My personal jig box's probably don't have 10% with flash.
Also don't think I have ever put flash inside the feathers or hair on a jig.
The reason I mentioned putting flash "inside" the marabou is because it just seemed a heckofa lot easier than spreading the flash around the marabou, and the flash still does show up through the marabou, probably because I don't use a lot of marabou in tails. I think shipahoy puts it as "less is more"-correct me if I'm wrong. But I'm still fairly new to tying (jigs) and having been catching lots of fish on the jigs with flash inside. I was just wondering what y'all do. I did tie some jigs last night ith flash on the outside of the tail. I would go out right now and try em but I need to write a paper... :-( Thanks for the input.
You are right that is what he says.Quote:
Originally Posted by OKSTATEjiggy
However I put enough that usually I don't use flash with marabou, but at times I do if it is requested.
I say it's different with flies because even making your dubbing mix sometimes include some Krystal Flash in it when it get chopped up so flies have it all ways you can imagine.
Now saying that, here is the truth...there are no rules that are hard and fixed in tying IMHO. You do what you want and what works for you. Kind of if you like it then do it.
Now I am speaking of tinsel flash when I talk about putting a strip down the outside and only one strip on each side. I am sure some put more, but one is what I do and most ask for.
Also not always do I use the less is more thing as sometimes I like a pretty busy marabou tail and some times longer that some like, but in my experience catching crappie on marabou jigs I have done well using long full tails just as I have done well with short thin tails. So try all of it anyway you see fit. Don't always follow the "rules".
So step outside the box sometimes and sometimes it work very well!
Skip
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Originally Posted by skiptomylu
Agreed. Double it and lock it in with half hitch, fold top back over and lock it in again
for me the flash goes on after the tail material.
Flash last for me. Cut it twice as long as you want it, lay on top of fly and catch it with a couple of wraps, then fold it back over and finish the wrap. You can spread it open before the last few wraps for a better effect. Less is more. Two strands max. which becomes four strands when you fold them back over. In my humble opinion.
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Originally Posted by popeyemaker
I use ONLY three strands. One for the Father, one for the Son and one for the Holy Ghost. When they are doubled over they become six strands and I am doubly blessed.
Amen,ShipQuote:
Originally Posted by shipahoy41
I have to agree with backtocrappie I mostly tie my flash as a compliment to give the fish a peek of flash. I seem to catch more fish with it tied this way particularly on cloudy days. Thats not to say I don't tie some jigs with the flash on top of the material I do. Got to give the crappie what they want. Each lake is different. Experimenting is what makes it fun.
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Originally Posted by popeyemaker
Popeyemaker. Thanks. By the way you have a nice website.
On your product 1 Popeyes...http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/d...uct1Popeye.jpg..have you ever thought of using glow-in-the-dark beadheads?
Same here.Quote:
Originally Posted by skiptomylu