What type heads,body do you all tie with.I tied some last night for the first time . Did some with and without collars. I think without is best.
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What type heads,body do you all tie with.I tied some last night for the first time . Did some with and without collars. I think without is best.
I never use jig heads with a collar. Actually they are for use with soft plastics.Quote:
Originally Posted by tahoe 50
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I use both with and without.For marabou I like the collarless and for hair I like the ball collar,it helps the hair flair a little more making better action in the water.Least I think so.It is really up to ones on preferance.
I prefer without a collar for my personal jigs. I believe you have a much neater product that way. Some customers are adamant they want them with a collar because they believe it pushes out the hair a little further.
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For chenille body jigs, I use collarless. For crappie sized hair jigs, mainly kiptail, I use the same collarless jigs. For larger bucktail jigs, say 1/4 - 1+ oz. jigs, I use a collared hot lips jig. It gives you a bigger profile and lets the hair flare out. I do not use standard 'barbed' jigs though, like you would use for soft plastics. It just gets in the way and is too much trouble to cut or sand off when you can just pick up the pack next to it that doesn't have a collar. If it's a chenille body jig you're tying, it'll also make the body uneven.
No collars is the way to go.
Yes, I'm digging through the archives. I just wanted to get everyone's opinion on this topic. Basically, I was just wondering if the opinions had changed or stated the same.
Been using no collar for 10 years I have been at this. The only time I use a collar is when tying hair tails, like Kip Tail and then I want a collar without a barb and preferably a small flair at the end of the collar!
Use both - if I really want to flair hair on a collar I'll use a thread bump or cut the barb and squeeze a flat spot to have a ball on the bottom and it will flair just fine
Ball + collar - With a thread neck and a hair tail, the hair is much more secure with a collar. With no collar, the hair is stacked on itself instead of around the collar. This makes it much more likely to pull out. While I tied Kip tail with no collar for years, I've switched to a ball collar. It is just an easier process to tie in and secure the hair. With a collar, I have to tie in the hair usually 2 times to cover the circumference of the collar. My fat fingers prevent me from spreading the hair completely around the collar in 1 shot.
Ball no collar - Versatile! You can tie any type of jig with it!
I use both, doesn't matter much to me. If I have the barbed collar, I use a pair of flat pliers and smash it down before tieing. I think the collar ads taper to the jig that can be appealing. If you are tieing a bulky jig pattern then sometimes the collar is just in the way.
Use no collar on 90% of my jigs and like the others there are time a collar works better.
Thanks for all the replies. I was way back in the archives and thought this was an interesting subject. I've been doing mostly collarless as well. Someone asked me on another forum what I was using and suggested a collar to keep material from slipping. I bought these in Fort Worth at a place called backwoods. They ere a bit pricy according to prices on internet, but I got a couple pkg to play with. They are 1/16.
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? that is a collarless jig. You can lay down a layer of thread, coat it with super glue and then tie in your hair. It will hold without slipping as long as you tie it tight.
Both work well, mostly depends on the look you are after. If I want a big body, I will use a collar. If I want something smaller and less bulky, collarless. As far as slippage, I was taught step one is a full wrap of thread followed by a coat of head cement, then tie the tail, coat new thread with another coat of cement, the add body or palmer or whatever and tie off with a whip finish or 3-6 half hitches, Follwed by a final coat of cement on the new threads, Good tight thread wrapping and slippage is usually eliminated.
Some of the Bigger Bass bugs and bucktails may need to be tied in stages rather than adding all of the bucktail at one time. Learn to use what you got and learn how to make it meet your standards.
For marabou jigs tied without a body, I always use a jig with a ball collar, feeling that the open core left around the hook gives more flutter to the marabou.
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Originally Posted by warmouth
I sold all of my collared jig molds. Most of what I fish with is plastic and if I want a keeper I'll cast heads with a Do-It wire or a straight wire laid in along the hook shank. If I want to tie, I build up a small hump of thread about an eighth of an inch behind the head, hit it with head sealer and then just wind the thread to the head to start tying.
I lay a good foundation of thread all the way from the head to the first bend in the hook and back to the head. Then I tie my tail and body on the thread. It holds strong every time.
I appreciate all the advice. It's good to hear everyone's techniques because sometimes it will ring a bell and you get this ah ha moment and everything becomes clear.
There are a lot more rules type in fly tying, but many have really good reason they use them. A good thread base and such makes for a better tie!Quote:
Originally Posted by HMK
There are a lot more rules type in fly tying, but many have really good reason they use them. A good thread base and such makes for a better tie! However when it comes to experimenting and trying new things, there are no real rules that are hard and fast!Quote:
Originally Posted by HMK
No collar!!!!!