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Ok does anyone have any suggestions to point me into the right direction to locate what I need to make some Hair Jigs that Glow in the Dark? I have seen a few tied by others but I mainly want to know where to get the material and what type of hair is available. I have seen some Jig head paints also, but what works for you guys?
There is about any kind of hair you can think of out there if you want it. It just depends on what kind you want?Quote:
Originally Posted by TreeFrog
Deer hair (tail & Body), Elk, Moose, Arctic Fox Fur, squirrel, etc. The list keeps going.
Sorry I don't tell how I make my Glow Jigs.
Skip
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Originally Posted by skiptomylu
When Skip does tell, I have first dibs. :D :D :D :D :D
If you want to make your jigs glow then paint the head glow. That is how I make my jigs have some glow to them. I think there is a synthetic material that is glow. I will post a link to it if I find it again.
Treefrog besides using the glow paints for the heads you might take a look at some of these ideas:
Glow Flashabou at http://www.jannsnetcraft.com/flashabou/635102.aspx
Glow Mono Threads found this one on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT
Also a product that should work on just about any materials or hair http://monic.com/AQUAGLO.cfm
Hope some of this will help you in your quest for that magic jig.
Thanks for the helpful tips Fishhunter and Crappiekid, its good to have those willing to share info, this is exactly the type response I was hoping for. That Glow Flashabou may just be the ticket and Aquaglo is intresting I will need to research that. As far as all of the types of hair out there I am aware of whats redily available but I know there is some way to acheive a GLOW HAIR, and that is what I am after. I am sure that with time I will figure out the process. There are several others that have glow jigs as well even to the point of even using Guenie Feathers that glow, In fact Bill English who is from East Texas has some great looking glow jigs. Skip, I didnt even realize you tied a glow jig, and I was not wanting any top secret information, just a nudge in the right direction. I know what its like having something of your own design taken and suddenly recreated by someone else. Were all here to help one another and I hope that any information that I come across I can pass on to you guys. If anyone else is searching for this as well I will be glad to pass on any tips I come across. I have located the glow paint which is made by Pro Tec in the powder paint form. I love that stuff:D Also I noticed in the Barlows catalog that they have spools of phosphorescent tinsel. Combine this with the products that Fishhunter mentioned and we are half way there. Hope to see more information on this, and post some pics soon:D
Here are some synthetic hair that have glow.
http://www.jsflyfishing.com/cgi-bin/...EP-Fibers.html
Glow Flashabou does pretty good for a glow tail, but that Glow Paint Sux IMHO. I tried some of that and it is so weak it still have the hole bottles I bought and refuse to use it.
I have no problem sharing normal info, but my glow jig are not like any other out there as far as I can see and if you think it's easy to come up with just ask ship. He has tried for a long time now and still doesn't have it.
I spent a lot of time coming up this my idea and to give that away to someone not willing to work it out for them selves is not something I am willing to do.
Not only that it would not be very smart business wise for me to just throw out one of my business secrets at the drop of a hat. If there were others out there doing what I do then it would not matter, but there is not.
Just my opinion,
Skip
I would use powder paint,where you just heat jig,dip in jar of paint--then be sure to cure paint in oven at about 250 degrees so you have a super tuff coating.You should be able to find several types of jig materals in glow including glow in mylar type synthetic materials.The net craft co. or Barlows should have all the glow materials you will ever need to make glow jigs.My two favorite glow powder paint colors are orange and yellow chartreuse.
I don't see where someone asking about where to get or how to make glow hair is contrary to your business. Glow hair jigs have been sold in Winnfield long before you got into tying which was the same time as Treefrog and I. We just got into it for ourselves and you got in it to make money. Kindof reminds me of a hair jig that would accept the bait pump that he and I worked on for months and all of a sudden when one person saw one of ours in person, he went and made one and told the world he thought this up on his own and had never seen one before. Remember this episode? Let's not use this forum as a personel advertisement thing only and not SHARE info. If all you want out of it is to sell, then I think you should ask ED to replace you.Quote:
Originally Posted by skiptomylu
Treefrog,Quote:
Originally Posted by skiptomylu
I can see Skip's point of view. He sells a ton of Glo jigs. Both of us have been working on Glo jigs for a long time. I have been trying for seven years and mine are not quite as good as Skip's are. I 've even bought some of Skip's jigs and cut them apart to have them forensically anaylzed to put me on the right track. Skip and I are friends but he cannot divuldge his trade secrets on this particular subject. We both have helped others get started with the basics of tying a jig. How far you take it is up to you, your own skills and your own creativity. He is not trying to be mean, just protecting his own investments.
I posted a lot of ideas in the archives http://www.crappie.com/gr8vb3/forumdisplay.php?f=56
This is probably more information than you will find in one place ever just to get you started in tying. The rest is up to your own individual mind and research. I spent five month reading all I could on the Clouser before even attempting that one. I wanted to know if it worked, what was it's track record, who was using it, what was the market, how much others were charging for it, who would use it before a regular jig etc etc etc. I did the same amount of research on ball head vs minnow head jigs etc. You HAVE TO do your own homework.
Skip HAS HELPED a lot of people on this forum including me. I appreciate that.
One tip that i learned on using the Glow Powder Paint is to first paint the jigs white. Bake cure them with the white, then go back and paint the glow on top of the white and bake again. Also bake the paint at 200 degrees. It will drip real easily that is why you cook at a cooler temp. Like everyone has said working with glow materials is time consuming and to get it right can be tedious.
Glow hair or any glow jig out there is not what I am talking about. I am referring to my glow body part of the jig as well as my glow heads which glow much brighter than any others. I will put my glow jigs against any. As far as saying or telling about other products, I don't have a problem, but there was a statement about sharing and how it is nice that someone was willing to share what they know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mo'nBack
Well what I know I am willing to share until it comes to my way of making a glow jig. Maybe you should see my product in your hand to decide if we are talking about apples and apples or apples and oranges.
As far as the other jig you are sadly mistaken, I had never seen his jig and if you think you are taking the high ground here you are again sadly mistaken. I came up with that on my own and had nothing to do with his. I didn't even want to sell mine, it was a way people could on their own take a piece of tubing and make any of my jigs work with the bait pump. Sorry you hole a grudge when none is reasonable.
I didn't get into making jig to make money, if you think the then you are once again sadly mistaken. I got into this to have something to do and noting more. I still have not made any money to put in my pocket as all of my sales go right back into materials for tying flies and jigs.
Get over the jig and tube thing already.
You maybe should take this board over your self since you seem to know so much even if it is all bunk!
Skip
One more thing about the attack of me by Mo'nBack. The big idea jig he keeps saying I stole from his friend....first I have never made one to sell, not one and I. It was an idea how someone could take any of my or anyone else's jig and make you good for the bait pump. I have told anyone that ask about how and where to get the tubing. All it is in connecting tubing made by HTH.
Here is the link and all you have to do to make your or any jig work with the bait pump is cur a short piece (1/2"-3/4" Long) of this tubing off and slip it over the hook and then fill it with the bait pump paste.
http://www.hmhvises.com/premiumtubes.html#junction
You can buy it directly from these people. It even comes in colors.
I am really tied of defending my self about that darn jig and am sorry I ever sat down to figure out a way to convert any jig to one for the bait pump. Also it docent have to be a hair jig, any will work, even the 10 for a dollar from Walmart.
Skip
I'll speak for myself. I really DO NOT make any money selling jigs. Most of what I do is tying for friends and the little I do sell goes back into more supplies. I am more into teaching youth groups the basics of tying a jig or learning the basics of panfishing. Skip has taught a lot of people on this board and others. I am sure that he does not need me to defend him as he speaks volumes for himself and does it well. Skip is my friend and will remain my friend. Many times we do not see eye to eye, but we respect each other enough to email each other and share our viewpoints man to man. I do not believe in publically airing anybody's laundry.
Having said this, I believe in this jig tying forum and Ed chose the right individuals to lead this forum. We can and we will continue to learn from each other on this forum as well as respect differing points of view and copyright laws.
I remember when I first joined crappie.com I had a huge picture at the bottom of a crappie scene. I took criticism in stride and thanks to the help of Rick Fointain and Skip now have just a replica of my business card there and a small animation.:D :D :D One day I'll tell everyone the story about that. No matter what a person does, someone will say something...so we just try and do our best.
Ok:D :D Now Here is a "blib infomercial" on my own website in case anyone is interested in my dream. Yes, I have been criticized for my dream but I have also been encouraged by it too. Follow your dream wherever it leads you. Do not be afraid of the journey, but keep your eyes on the destination.:cool: :cool: :cool:
My web site features my individually handcrafted "I GOTCHA jigs." They will catch Crappies, Bluegill, Perch, Smallmouth and any fish that will eat a minnow. You can also email me to find out about my electronic or in person presentations.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/d...ATIONCOVER.gif
Skip,
I dont doubt that there is a possibility that you and I were working on the same idea. However, my idea was soley my own and this so called bait pump jig was tied for a get together to give out as gifts to others, again sharing a concept. I was told that an individual that received one of these jigs had given one to you and that later you had post to coming up with a great idea you had never seen before. Even an apology was sent by the one who had passed along the jig. So I have no reason to believe that what you say is true, but I dont really care this is just my defense for what Mo'nBack is stating. I dont feel that it is something worth argueing over. Howerver it does rub me the wrong way when a forum is created to share information and knowing what happened to me, I am told by that moderator that his top secret idea wont be devulged. Maybe you do have the greatest glow jig in the world, I dont want to copy what you have. I only wanted to get a nudge in the right direction to find what products are available for someone wanting to make a glow jig. Thanks to may great responses I am now on the right track. I am not out to reveal any trade secrets. I dont care who the moderatr of the site is, it is a great idea to have this forum and it can be useful to ALL OF US if it is managed in the right way. I tie jigs for myself because I like it, and that is what 90% of these others do as well. I dont have a fancy website and I dont make post constantly advertising my jigs. Its great that you can turn your hobby into a bussiness, but dont let that affect this forum. I hate this turned into a controversy ! Again I truely want to thank each of you that passed along some tips and information.
I'm not going to touch the lie about the other jig, but the question that was asked was about glowing hair and not body parts and was not directed at you, but to everyone on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by skiptomylu
I don't know who you are defending yourself from, cause it hasn't been mentioned on the La forum (or anywhere else) since my thread was deleted. We need to get ours facts right.Quote:
Originally Posted by skiptomylu
I am sorry someone was so deceitful to say I had received one of these jigs from someone else. I didn't! period!Quote:
Originally Posted by TreeFrog
I am willing to help anyone with tying jigs and flies, but I am not willing to tell how I make my glow jigs and don't SE any reason I should. I could care less if I am the moderator of this board.
I am because people ask me to contact Ed and ask for the board and the I should volunteer to moderate it. Maybe this will make Mo'nBack happy since nothing else does.
ell right now I am sorry I did and will asap contact Ed and ask for him to appoint someone else since you guys are stuck on this stuff.
Sorry we have this between us, but I am not a lier and someone else is!
Skip
Didn't you just bring it up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mo'nBack
Skip
PS I am done with this!
There a company thats called lure craft or crafters that might sell the phosphorus powder if thats what you need.
Thanks for the tips, it sounds as though there are quite a few ways to acheive what I am after. I will check into these leads and see where it takes me. If I can find something that works well for me I will post a follow up on what it is. Just to recap I am looking into how to get Glow Hair I already have the glow paint for the head and I have a glow body wrap in mind, if I can get the hair Im set:D