Handgranades and horse shoes, how close is close enough
Greg and Cat are right but one thing about the cone "every one" should remember is that it only represents the half power point or you might call the sweet spot. It can and does read things out side that cone but how far out depends on how big and how reflective the object is. A large northern will easily read outside the cone. Some thing metallic or objects shaped right can read quite a ways out side the cone. If you've ever gone by one of the continuous piers, not multiple pilings, you'll get a false reading way higher up on the pier off to the side than it actually is. I wouldn't be surprised if it returend a depth read about the same horizontal distance it is from you, or higher.
One other thing people say I get a kick out of is, you could see the fish come up to the bait. Times what happens is the fish is on the same level as the bait and it cruises over to check it out. What appears as "coming up" is cause by, lets say the crappie is at 10 foot, when its close enough to the sonar to show, its on the out side of the cone. That slant distance from the crappie to transducer is longer than than the straight down distance to that same level of 10 feet where your bait was. So it makes it look like the crappie is swimming up when its just swimming over at the same level.
Thats not saying they don't come up, but you should think it more of some kind of combination. Dropping your bait down to the level you thought the fish started from could be a big mistake, putting the bait below it.
Doc goes into this in his understanding sonar video, but thats some thing all the walleye guys know him from, his DVD's and fishing pro tournaments. I wanted to add to that you might have seen Bruce's articles in all most every national fishing magazine or from the Lowrance classes he's know for.
WarrenMN
was trying to keep it simple but accurate
Just a few things I would add to this discussion:
First off - John I was trying to keep it simple for you. I should have stuck with the flashlight beam analogy but was afraid it would start off the discussion that followed. Not that it is a bad thing but sonar can be pretty complex to understand and most of us don't need to understand it to that level. My point was that just because the sonar displays a fish at 10 feet deep it may not be and without more directional elements in the transducer you just don’t know where the fish is within the beam - just how far away from the transducer it is.
Humminbird uses the -10db point and not the half power point that some other manufacturers use. We feel like this is more of an accurate depiction of what is actually being shown by the unit most of the time. True, objects that reflect more sonar energy back to the transducer can be well outside the -10db area but we felt like the -3db point was not an accurate point to measure from. You will find that the measurement point used is normally determined by what the sonar will be used for. Since the intention was to display sonar targets (hopefully fish) we decided upon the -10db point.
Increasing/decreasing the sensitivity setting on most modern sonar units acts you are turning on and off a filter. Adjusting the sensitivity says: unless you are at least this loud of a sonar return, I’m not going to display you. You turn it down and only the louder returned sonar signals are displayed, turn it up and more are let through to be displayed. Not actually what happens but it’s easier to understand it when you think about it in this way. With monochrome (black and white) units you are also changing what level of greyscale shading you are assigning to each group of returned sonar signal levels. The same happens with color units but most have combinations of colors and can therefore display more signal strength levels at one time. Turning the sensitivity up tells the processor to display a particular signal strength level with a stronger color (if that is how the unit is set to display the sonar returns) while turning down the sensitivity tells the processor to use a weaker color – possibly the same color as the background which effectively makes it disappear.
Although Warren touched upon it, we really haven’t discussed ‘effective cone angles’, how water quality can affect this, and how some materials and fish can be better reflectors of sonar than others… :rolleyes:
Lowrance does have a very good sonar tutorial. Many years ago one of our Acoustical Engineers wrote one as well but for the life of me I don’t understand why our Sales/Marketing folks have not had it added to the Humminbird web site! :mad: