Looking for ideas about how to make braid line sink. I have tungsten putty on order. Plan to rub it on 4 strand braid. Choosing 4 strand because I think it will have a rougher texture to receive the putty.
Has anyone tried this?
Any other ideas?
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Looking for ideas about how to make braid line sink. I have tungsten putty on order. Plan to rub it on 4 strand braid. Choosing 4 strand because I think it will have a rougher texture to receive the putty.
Has anyone tried this?
Any other ideas?
I look forward to how well this works
Jack, I’ll let you know. I think getting braid to sink will really help when fishing deep.Quote:
Originally Posted by DockShootinJack
I read n a forum that rubbing tungsten putty and on braid will add weight. We’ll see…
You can buy braid that sinks.
Varvias Double cross. Sinking braid and a good one. Scott
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Originally Posted by ultraslab
I ordered some Tungsten Putty and also some sinking braid. Will reply with the results.
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I am almost certain that fishing in deep water has been problematic because the braid didn’t want to sink. It was difficult to drop on a target. I could always see a bow in the line on Livescope.
I tried Tungsten Putty on braid and saw no changes in the float characteristics. I hope the sinking braid actually sinks at a reasonable rate. Will post back when it comes in and has been tested.
The Tungsten Putty should come in handle when I need a heavier jig for a particular circumstance. Those times when I don’t want to change out jigs. A little atop the lead on the jig head should work well for a quick change in sink rate.
It seems the specific gravity of sinking braid is only 1.12 and fluorocarbon is 1.78. Even sinking braid may be disappointing.
”Monofilament fishing line typically has a specific gravity slightly higher than water, around 1.11-1.14, according to SUNLINE America Co., Ltd. This means it's denser than water but still floats, making it ideal for dry fly leaders and general fishing applications where a bit of buoyancy is desired. Fluorocarbon lines, on the other hand, have a much higher specific gravity (around 1.78), making them sink quickly according to Spey Pages, and braided lines are typically the least dense (around 0.97), causing them to float.”
Looks like a spool of Fluorocarbon will required to fish deeper water most efficiently in my situation.
Update to my quest for sinking line for vertical jigging.
I have yet to try any of the following in fishing conditions, but I have looked at 3 variations in my outdoor pond.
1 - Typical floating braid that was rubbed with tungsten putty.
Looks like a waste of time. No noticeable increase in sink rate. Specific Gravity is ~0.98.
2 - XBraid Sinking SS 112. This sinking braid does sink, but not by much. Specific Gravity is 1.12.
3 - InVisX fluorocarbon. This seems to sink the best by far. Specific Gravity 1.78
In all 3 cases when pond testing all lines failed to break the surface tension of the water. Once pushed under the water surface lines #2 & 3 basically suspended under the water.
Plan to post my findings after I get some fishing time on the water with these lines. Livescope should give me an accurate view of the lines in the water with jigs attached. Hopefully one or both of the sinking lines will no produce the bow in the line that floating braid made. It is my thought that the line bow, caused by light current and possible wind is making deeper vertical jigging difficult. Even pitching the jig out from the boat, using floating braid, with no wind or current causes large bows because the line wants to float. I use 1/32 and 1/16 oz jigs and often add a 1/10 or 1/8 egg sinker pegged above the jig.
As thought, fluoro sinks best by far. My main issue is that it is hard to see on Livescope. Braid shows up much better. Plan to keep a spare spool filled with fluoro for special occasions when conditions make it necessary to use.
For me, the sinking braid fits the bill when current and wind are not a major problem.
Why use braid in the first place????? ... it is inferior to fluorocarbon and mono ... you can see it a mile!
EDIT: I see now you want to see your line on livescope ..... fish can see better than your livescope!
Thinking out of the box, though I don't understand why you need to see the line. though your right braid shows on live scope and anything else doesn't, if you have a need to see your line, maybe flouro with a braid leader? Scott
Don't you mean braid with a flouro leader ?? Then you can see the braid from surface down to the flouro, and then your jigs or jig/sinker on the leader will show up right below that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ultraslab
In south Louisiana scoping is nothing like you see on YouTube. Average fishing depth is ~4.5’ and water is filled with particles. The screen is always cluttered. Pretty much the same case when fishing a deep cut or bayou… Also hangups are a constant. Because of this I fish light wire hooks and braid. This way I can pull hard enough to bend the hook, freeing the jig.
If a fluoro leader is used, pulling jigs free results in many break offs.
That’s why I use braid.
My query about sinking line only has to do with deep fishing. Everything else is braid.
I appreciate the replies.
Dan
I normally only fish from late October until mid May in 14-25'+ water. 98% of my fishing is casting and I keep four rods rigged at all times and usually only one has mono, the other three have braid and maybe a mono lead on one or two. I use different rated braids to control the fall of my jigs. most of the time a 3/32oz jig is the heaviest and a 1/64 being the lightest. It takes a lot of patience to fish light jigs in deeper water and the slow retrieve to keep it down. Line size and type are tools just like different color jigs or bodies are.
Justin when you said “different rated braids”, what exactly are you talking about? Is it sinking braids?
Different breaking strength and diameters. As far as I know none of the braids are advertised as “sinking” braids. I’ve been using braid for many years, it took forward facing live sonar to show me how slow it needed to be retrieved compared to mono.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDan
Justin, there are a few manufacturers that make sinking braid. It has a specific gravity of 1.12. Not cheap, but it does allow the light jig to sink better. It reduces the “bow” in the line compared to regular braid.
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Presently trying out XBraid S112, which is a sinking braid.
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165 yd is $33. I use 52 yd to:fill a 500 series spinning spool. 3 spools can be filled with no backing, meaning no knot to hangup when casting.
By the way, when using braid this bow is clearly seen on Livescope. That’s how the issue first came to mind for me.
IMHO though I don't have a way to prove it. Livescope because it shows braid and braid only as visible makes you think that braid and braid alone has a bend in it in the water colom. While yes most braid floats ( with the acception of the sinking braids as listed through out this thread, my personal favorite being the Varvias Double Cross ) all lines have a bow in the as they fall unless there is an anchor attatched and even then just harder to see. Skeetbum has gotten me to using braids in a lot of conditions like the Varvias master limited super trout in the .15 gou range ( 4.5lb american) because of the small diamter and ease of casting small jigs. Though there are certain prsentations like vertical jigging where I employ Tatsu flourocarbon as it doesn't foul the hook as much as braid would. I personaly have no need to see my line as I can clearly see my jig and the slow sink of the mentioned braid always my a slower presentation of the jig. This is especialy inportant summer and full winter where fish or not agreesive in the bite. My 2 cents. Scott
Scott I agree that all line will have a bow unless vertical fishing. My images show there isn’t as much bow in the line as some possibly think. Seeing the line is of no importance to me, it just goes with the territory when fishing braid.