WAY worser than FFS .....

Lake Welsh here is a really warm water lake , it generates power and gets super duper warm .....
fish have to run into the shallow heavy vegetation at the other end of it away from the generator 100 degree plus waters to survive it in the summer ......
I got a report and photos of some panfish that were in the legendary size way back up in the shallow water in all the matted up vegetation and WAS planning to go visit it .....the red ear were just beyond big .....
before I could even line it up ....here comes the vegetation control folks ! :yikes
They flat out created the holy you know biggest baddest trophy fish kill I ever seen .....just zillions of huge bass and bream and crappie all died in a very short period of time ....
the videos my bud sent me of it were so terribly disappointing ....
saw this done 20 plus years ago at another trophy fishery .....
sure is sad when mankind does this type of stupid stuff ...
some tried to say the lake turned over , but to be VERY sure it was the decaying vegetation and oxygen depletion created by the lets clean up all that mess in the back of the lake ....:banghead
this is a reminder to those of you that manage your own waters and or live in a hoa and want to control what mother nature is doing out there , best leave your hands off of the vegetation is the word ,,,,,:cheers2

That's a shame.

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them there we know what we are doing fellas in that there spray the whatever "safe on the environment" stuff on the water plants guys , just flat out burn me up ......
seen it done on lots of places and never seen one yet that it didn't mess it up REALLY bad .....
used to visit a 25 acre hoa lake , some fella hired a crew to "fix" that lake as well .....
it never came back .....
there is good news though after a while the lake looks like a swimming pool and the fish don't bother the beautiful serenity of the flat open water by splashing around on the surface ....:banghead

I think spraying vegetation this time of year when it's hot is a horrible idea since oxygen levels are lower in the summer. If they are going to clean out weeds in a lake there has to be a better, safer way. I've seen duckweed take over small ponds and lakes to the point where it looks like a putting green on a golf course and result was an entire lake wiped out from lack of oxygen, even the crayfish were crawling out of the lake on land just to breathe but they died as well. That really stinks!!!!

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I think spraying vegetation this time of year when it's hot is a horrible idea since oxygen levels are lower in the summer. If they are going to clean out weeds in a lake there has to be a better, safer way. I've seen duckweed take over small ponds and lakes to the point where it looks like a putting green on a golf course and result was an entire lake wiped out from lack of oxygen, even the crayfish were crawling out of the lake on land just to breathe but they died as well. That really stinks!!!!

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but they are professionals bro ......:Rofl:banghead
they "know" what they are doing .....:bash
the get paid well to screw things up like that all the time .....:yikes
just saying ....
sides all that , I would agree that vegetation can overtake a small water body for sure
but that is a lake with open water ,,,they went way up in back part in the shallow water and did that ...ding dong for darn sure

Y'all obviously understand to negative environmental impact aquatic herbicides do to any body of water but a Impoundment treating is the worst. Back to the Math, you treat by percentages to prevent the exact hazard to marine life summer herbicide applications create. I have been griping about the excessive herbicide use in Mississippi waters now for close to 5 years. Ask Bon Temps, the other day they sprayed him while he was in his boat fishing. Louisiana Sportsman magazine ran a story a few issues back about all the 10 pound plus Bass Toledo Bend is producing. This is a line from the article "Toledo Bend is Back in the Bass because they are Back in the Grass". Apparently at some point a genius must have decided to spray Toledo. Only because of the multiple Tropical Systems that struck that area repeatedly washing enough nutrients into the massive Reservoir did it turn around. The top of Ross Barnett still looks like scorched earth on the bottom. The morons making decisions there don't know the real marine life damage they did or better they do but lack the integrity to own up to it. That Giant Slavia....... whatever they call the invasive vegetation, it is still living while they killed everything else. It will take more than one glass of wine tonight to calm down after reading Ketchn's post!

My home lake, Lake Herrington, was "treated" for what was called a runaway Shad population (according to my Grandpa). They used Rotenone, or should I say they "over used" it. My Grandpa told me about it, and said that afterwards you could walk across the lake on the bodies of dead Smallmouth. The lake still has "some" Smallmouth in it, but they're a rare catch. Oh, and the Shad population is still as strong now as it was back then.

On a lake that was designated to be a trophy Bass lake, Cedar Creek Lake, Rotenone was used to kill out any and all fish species in Cedar Creek before it was dammed up. The lake was supposed to only have Largemouth Bass, Black Crappie, Red Ear Sunfish, and Channel Catfish, with the emphasis on the growing of trophy size Bass. Limit was set at one Bass per day, over 20" long. Well, the farmers in the area didn't allow them to use the Rotenone along some stretches of the creek that passed thru their land, resulting in the Shad that were present in the creek surviving. Also surviving were Bluegill, Green Sunfish, and possibly some White Crappie .... though, the White Crappie presence could also be from a few of them being introduced when they were stocking the lake. I know that Blacknose Crappie were also introduced, whether by choice or accident, because I've caught them from Cedar Creek.

Just two examples of the best intentions having dire consequences that were originally unseen by the "experts".

Watched em spray every blade of grass on the N end of Pines and on Palestine. I asked the guy on Pines if he needed me to show him salvinia so he could spray the right stuff and he said they got paid by how much chemical they sprayed so they spray everything in the water! Sad stuff.

I fish way up a tributary on lake of the ozarks and we had one of the two ares of lilly pads on the entire lake and mind you it wasn't a huge patch maybe 100 yards wide and 300 yards long it didn't block the channel or anything it was doing nothing but good providing spawning cover on an otherwise coverless flat for some reason that was never explained the powers that be sprayed and totally eliminated that patch about 15 years ago and every year since our crappie(as well as other species)populations have hit rock bottom it seems like there is 1 fish where there used to be 100 and as a bonus the area continues to silt in more every year i just don't understand why these college educated idiots can't leave well enough alone.

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Y'all obviously understand to negative environmental impact aquatic herbicides do to any body of water but a Impoundment treating is the worst. Back to the Math, you treat by percentages to prevent the exact hazard to marine life summer herbicide applications create. I have been griping about the excessive herbicide use in Mississippi waters now for close to 5 years. Ask Bon Temps, the other day they sprayed him while he was in his boat fishing. Louisiana Sportsman magazine ran a story a few issues back about all the 10 pound plus Bass Toledo Bend is producing. This is a line from the article "Toledo Bend is Back in the Bass because they are Back in the Grass". Apparently at some point a genius must have decided to spray Toledo. Only because of the multiple Tropical Systems that struck that area repeatedly washing enough nutrients into the massive Reservoir did it turn around. The top of Ross Barnett still looks like scorched earth on the bottom. The morons making decisions there don't know the real marine life damage they did or better they do but lack the integrity to own up to it. That Giant Slavia....... whatever they call the invasive vegetation, it is still living while they killed everything else. It will take more than one glass of wine tonight to calm down after reading Ketchn's post!

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the ones that I got kicked off the river were spraying the bank at the waters edge for weeds on dry land , the were standing on top of the levee with a firehose looking device and sraying down the slope and INTO the water .....
I was in complete shock watching them idiots , they created some kind of huge slick almost instantly and big mats of algae started floating by me , I called multiple agencies and took pictures of them and their truck , I finally found the right one and the lady in charge of the Tarrant regional water Enviromental division came with the Tarrant regional water police as back up the VERY next day ....AND you for sure don't mess with them folks , they got power from on high , they own most of the water in the lakes around dfw and that is fact ....
it stopped ,but get this , downstream they use that water for the city of Arlington as a water supply ....how stupid is that .....:banghead

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I fish way up a tributary on lake of the ozarks and we had one of the two ares of lilly pads on the entire lake and mind you it wasn't a huge patch maybe 100 yards wide and 300 yards long it didn't block the channel or anything it was doing nothing but good providing spawning cover on an otherwise coverless flat for some reason that was never explained the powers that be sprayed and totally eliminated that patch about 15 years ago and every year since our crappie(as well as other species)populations have hit rock bottom it seems like there is 1 fish where there used to be 100 and as a bonus the area continues to silt in more every year i just don't understand why these college educated idiots can't leave well enough alone.

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I do, they're COLLEGE EDUCATED!!

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having a high end education cannot save you from being stupid , another fact :Rofl

Some real horror stories. All bad.
Bob

:popcorn, just gonna follow cause I’ll go “there”

one spot I used to like had cattails in abundance and willows that fell down on the lake edge as well
it was a flat out A for SURE paradise for a panfish ketchn fool like me
then along came some sort of lake management team that decided to "improve" the habitat .........
they took out the cattails and the willows and left the shoreline barren .....
ruined it but good for darn sure , quit visiting there was me .....
it "had" trophy class bluegill in numbers and BIG black crappie too .....
not sure why, but to be very sure they all disappeared completely from the lake after that episode ?
go figure right .....:banghead

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the ones that I got kicked off the river were spraying the bank at the waters edge for weeds on dry land , the were standing on top of the levee with a firehose looking device and sraying down the slope and INTO the water .....
I was in complete shock watching them idiots , they created some kind of huge slick almost instantly and big mats of algae started floating by me , I called multiple agencies and took pictures of them and their truck , I finally found the right one and the lady in charge of the Tarrant regional water Enviromental division came with the Tarrant regional water police as back up the VERY next day ....AND you for sure don't mess with them folks , they got power from on high , they own most of the water in the lakes around dfw and that is fact ....
it stopped ,but get this , downstream they use that water for the city of Arlington as a water supply ....how stupid is that .....:banghead

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This is a good success story to hear about as my "Gripes" have fallen of deaf ears with all calls.

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it totally enraged me bro , at a younger age I likely would have been all up in them fellas faces looking to break one ....
I burned the phone down calling and making a huge scene out of it with several environmental agencies ...
I was surprised as heck when that lady called me back the SAME day and said she would be there the next ....
she took it REALLY seriously as well and attacked the problem QUICKLY with a huge telephoto lens and her po po beside her as well ....
they came down the next day to that spot when I was there seeing if they actually would follow up ...
I waved at her and she called me and asked if I was the fella that reported it and thanked me for the heads up .....
how cool right :highfive
still got her number in my phone too ,,,,,just saying

We harvest the vegetation off the lake here at work. If we don't then in Oct when it dies and we have a strong wind it will end up on the traveling screens for the circulating water pumps and can take the unit offline.

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We harvest the vegetation off the lake here at work. If we don't then in Oct when it dies and we have a strong wind it will end up on the traveling screens for the circulating water pumps and can take the unit offline.

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Totally understand my friend, but vegetation control mid summer ,,, flat out stupidly bro