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Probably correct in adverse effect of the the larger class of fish, won't effect the overall population as they reproduce too fast in MOST lakes. But removing the 2lb. + fish which, Livescope allows those who have learned it to target can not help but hurt that class of fish and I'm already seeing it on my home lakes in Ga. That being said it is not realistic to think there is any way to put that Genie back in the bottle. It's our new reality. IMHO, Scott
I’m not giving Randy any clicks!! That dude sounds miserable!!
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insufferable when he discusses FFS. his other content is actually pretty good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slew
Ain’t nothing that we already knew would happen, some just don’t want to admit it.
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Next step , slot limits for crappie, nothing over 15 inches in the livewell. :(
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I REALY REALY like the idea of a slot limit for crappie. Not going to happen IMHO but I REALY REALY LIKE THE IDEA. Scott
If I lived there, or close, I don't think I'd mind a creel limit of 10 keepers (considering they have to be over 12" to keep). But, I'm not gonna drive 4,5,6hrs to fish there for just 10 keeper fish (even if they ARE 14,15,16" fish).
Now, as far as a "slot limit" .... considering they already have the 12" size limit ... where exactly would they put a "slot" ?? A 15-16" fish doesn't just happen, they have to become a 12" fish before that, so the only "slot" would be for fish greater than what length ?? And are you really hurting the fishery by taking out those fish longer than, say, 14" ?? IMHO it would depend on what age a >14" fish is, and if that age group were still viable reproducers or pushing the lifespan limit. :twocents
the introduction of FFS and the folks that were already good at ketchn crappie ruined lake fork for big fish , some of them realized it way to late and tried to get everyone to quit keeping the larger fish ....no way , too many younger wanna be guys that can ketch big fish quite easily now , half of them grew up on video games .....
it is what it is now , and on top of it , some of the big names in crappie ketchn on Youtube are now wanna beez since the FFS became a thing you can't ketch fish without .....just saying
now mind you this , it ain't like I can't afford to waste money on things like this and to be very sure I could run in circles that are above my pay grade fairly easily , but why ? to ketch fish ....nope , got that covered ....not me .... to make money ....not me ....got a good job .....to be a someone ....not me ....don't ever use my real name anyway ..... we are straying way far away from why we go "fish" , such is brave new world we live in .....
sides all that , I would WAY rather watch my float go down and quit when my battery went down and not one on the boat .....:banghead:biggrin
If we could just get people to release crappie, ffs wouldnt be an issue. The problem lies with people who toss every crappie over 10" in the livewell every day... Especially the big ones. Without angler ethics, there's no hope.
You would think someone who can afford a boat, plus a $1000 garmin and a $1000-1500 livescope setup would be intelligent enough to release a 15"+ crappie... But nope, you see every day guys targeting these fish and keeping them. A 10-12" fish tastes just the same, and if you need 10-20 15"+ fish for a meal it might be time for a diet or fillet lessons. I keep 10 10-12" fish to feed 3 people... I dont know who needs to hear this but you dont have to feed your whole extended family you know. And those keeping limits of giant fish every day so you can do a fish fry for every person you know and feel like a big shot angler, those people will be just as happy with some smoked pork/brisket or burgers... You dont have to ruin the lakes for everyone else.
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Folks just need to learn to eat fish with bones in 'em. The little whole ones taste better- IMO. I keep 8-10" ones for on-the-bone and 10-13" for filets. Nothing over 13" goes home with me.
Problem solved. :twocents
I don't watch Randy's videos, seems like he's always crying about something. I'm glad I'm not that miserable.
Having purchased Active Target last year, I fished more last fall, winter and this spring than I have in the last ten years and had a ball. I'd be willing to guess that 80% of the days I fished all fish were released. Any fish over 1 1/2lb were released even on the days I kept fish, I've been doing this for over 30 years. I know several guys that release bigger fish too.
A few might be interested in what biologists have to say about keeping the bigger fish.....
It's OK to Keep Trophy Crappie | Outdoor Life.
“I would truthfully say, without a doubt, harvest whatever size fish that are legal and that you like to eat,” he says. “Harvesting larger fish wouldn’t impact the population anymore than harvesting 10- to 12-inch fish.”
Cool, and in 5 more years there will be slot limits or reduced 5 fish limits on the big fish lakes to try and save them, and these "biologists" will never admit they were wrong... They'll say climate change did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by keeferfish
Our local biologist ruined our lake as well with the same sort of thinking. Now its a pure dinkfest, after 7 years of people keeping every fish they caught its hard to find a fish over 9.5".
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I don't have to be a Biologist to understand math, In most lakes Crappie live 5-6 years ( believe that to be correct, but if not swap correct numbers ). In nature for the most part your oldest generation are your largest, though it's very true that the oldest, largest fish are not the prime spawners. The point is that livescope has allowed us to target those largest class of fish. There are a limited number of 15+" fish. Removing a large percentage of those fish will probably not hurt the overall numbers of crappie, but it will reduce the chance of a " trophy " fish no matter which lake you reference. Definitely some lakes i.e. Granada have more than others but it's still a finite number. I rant knowing nothing will change IMHO and my feelings are personal and may not reflect most people but I enjoy targeting these bigger fish the thrill of landing a very large crappie and after a quick pic. watching her swim away with the thought that I might have a chance to catch that fish again at an even larger size. Scott
Like you just said, crappie all have the same realitive lifespan. Some get to 15-18" some get to 12", why would you ever not want to protect the genetics that make the bigger fish? Yeah overall population wont go down keeping bigger fish, heck probably will go up because now all the smaller fish can have the spawning areas (big ones run off small ones for the prime habitat). After a couple years your big fish drop from 15s to 12s, now everyone keeps the 12s and your 10-12s get to have the spawning areas and your big fish drop to 10-11s. Its a cycle you dont want, ive seen it many times. You end up with a lake absolutely full of crappie, where you catch one every cast and hope to get a keeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by ultraslab
For all we know that biologist saying keeping big fish doesn't matter may just be wanting a lake full of fish, and doesn't care about trophy size. Thats how our local dnr biologist thinks.
Obviously bigger the lake the more it can withstand the harvest of big fish. But with livescope those big fish sitting out in the middle of nowhere are no longer safe and are easy pickins.
Remember when it comes to spawning, big ones go first usually and their fry are the first to hatch out and are the most predated by other crappie and bass. Those genes need to be protected! Let them live, let them spawn.
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