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I have had this boat about 4 years and had low compression a couple of years ago and had a jasper engine replacement. All is running great. I have always used quicksilver oil in it but am wondering about trying some other oil. I see BPS has some considerably cheaper and has good reviews. Just wondering what others here do. It had always had quicksilver when it developed problems and required a new motor
Me personally I use OEM oil and filters in anything I own. I bet a lot will scoff at this comment, but come challenge me on anything that I own. That's alot of vehicles (company & personal) plus enough equipment and boats to fill a warehouse. Cheap insurance in my simple mind.
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I’ve been using Pannzoil Marine 2-Stroke Synthetic Blend for the most part since 2007 on my ‘85 Evinrude 150, which still runs very well, although I mix my oil because I removed the VRO around 2008 or 2009. If you still use the oil injection system, you’d probably will want to stick to Quicksilver unless you can find reviews on your engine and the oil that you want to try. Another forum such as Bass Boat Central or Reddit may have more advice on this.
why remove the vro?
It's a piece of mind sort of deal. I'm not versed well in Mercury engines. I do have a 91' Evinrude 150 that runs like a top. VRO removed 30 year's ago and have to pre mix fuel. I believe at one time VRO were known to fail in short causing engine failures.
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VROs were problematic at one time to the point that just about all mechanics recommended removing VRO on the older engines. In fact, had we been mixing oil on a ‘90’s Mercury instead of depending on the oil injection system, I probably wouldn’t have burned up my dad’s outboard when I was in college due to a check valve failure. Newer 2-strokes may be better, but I’ll always mix on an older carbed 2-stroke.Quote:
Originally Posted by crappiejim
Like an already mentioned post. I run OEM recommended lubricants in all my engines. Costs a little more I guess but for me it’s piece of mind.
I guess to add to this is that Quicksilver (Mercury) and Yamalube (Yamaha) were typically easier to find in some stores compared to Johnson/Evinrude, which may have contributed to me using Pennzoil so often. I do run across Johnson/Evinrude at a Walmart and Academy in other areas on occasion but not as consistently as the other brands.
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I run whichever is cheapest at Walmart in my old '93 90 hp Johnson. Lately that has been pennzoil. I made spark plugs and disc brakes for a living and the shapes might have been a bit different and the names are changed but the insides of all the products were the same. Local service station owners tell me it's the same with oil....just different names on the 55 gallon cans. I dunno.............
As long as the two stroke oil has a TS3 rating, it is supposed to be compatible with all two stroke outboards. That being said, I still only run Yamalube oil in mine.
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I agree. Snubbt does have a simple mind. Bwahahahahah. I couldn’t resist. I always ran penzoil synthetic blend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snubby
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I had a V-6 Looper 225 that kept burning a piston. I had it apart fixing it once again and this time I took the VRO apart too. While looking at something else the VRO jumped on the table all by itself. What happened was the Diaphragm plunger that is returned by a big spring was stuck when I split the body apart, I didn't notice it. Well sitting on the table it freed itself making the whole unit jump. I had a friend that had a machine shop back in the day. I built quite a few outboards then, he did all my work. When you walked into his shop 95% of the blocks on the floor were OMC. He told me once, We all drive new cars, all the equipment and this building is paid for, I have 2 camps both paid for, my house is paid for, my kids go to the most expensive private schools, all paid for by VRO. I Never ran another VRO unit on a engine I built to this day. :twocentsQuote:
Originally Posted by crappiejim
One my 91' Evinrude I ran out of OEM 2 stroke oil a couple summers back. I started running Wal Mart Super Tech that was TCW-3 rated. After a couple of tanks of fuel I could hear a ticking sound coming from the engine. Asked around on BBC and no definite answers on the cause. Started running Evinrude / Johnson oil again and the problem was resolved almost immediately. Now I order online from Academy and go pick up at the store. I have used Penzoil (still have a unopened gallon) before and didn't notice the ticking. I will never use Super Tech again in that motor. I believe I was very close to having a serious issue!
I’ve been running quicksilver in my yamaha. I don’t know of anyone local who has yamalube. Always heard quicksilver spoken very highly of by the bass boat guys, said it had a good additive package. But the more I think on this, I will probably order some yamalube next time.
I have been ordering yamaha ring free already, so what the heck. I do like using oem stuff. And I burn through less than a gallon a year of oil so really no excuse. A normal trip for me is 20 minutes outboard run time at +- 3500 rpm, and 6-8 hours on the trolling motor [emoji6]
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Bud I never repaired a scored piston in a engine running Quicksilver. That being said the Ring Free Plus - best money anyone can spend on their engine. I have seen it unstick old Crossflow rings, gummed in with time. Super stuff! The Plus has stabilizer added. My number one recommended additive. I believe it will double the life of a 2 Stroke. 4 stroke I can't say that. I run & build 2 strokes only. Repair 4 strokes (big Yamahas 250+HP).Quote:
Originally Posted by J White
A sticky ring dose is 5 times the normal amount. Run the engine for a few minutes till the thermostat opens then let it sit for a week. usually by the 3rd week the compression comes way up (stuck rings or low compression to start with).
i went ahead and got the quicksilver..
First of all,,, the VRO engines are run by a nylon type of gear that runs off the crank. Once that gears goes bad , the engines gets damaged and it’s a huge repair ,,,Bad engineering imho. ,, by doing away with the mixing you bypass the VRO and are dedicated to mixing your own fuel from that point on. The mercury engine are bulletproof really once they do that,,, it’s just 2 strokes engines are not made for idol ing around the lake at 2.0 mph,,, they,, like dirt bikes like to rev and run at higher speeds where they run the cleanest,,,
Good post. Most tuners never spend the time to change the Air Bleeds in the idle circuits to fine tune the idle. 60 Degree & Looper engines have the air bleeds right in front, very easy to swap. No Mercury engines this far south, OMC & Yamaha only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takeum
just because an oil is tcw3 rated doesn't mean it has the same amount or same additives as other oils. I run the manufacturers recomended oil as I think it gives the motor what they think it needs and why save a couple bucks and take a chance on a 20,000.00 motor.
Performance marine in Sardis has yamalube. Or at least used to. I’ve bought it in bulk as a bring your own bucket thing but pretty sure I remember seeing gallons on the shelf.Quote:
Originally Posted by J White
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