Truth in advertising? Your opinions welcome on the following included in a sale pitch

We all have preferences when it comes to what rods we carry, lures, line, etc. as well as our reasons for using them. Here are statements made on in advertising video.

1. Line color matters:
a. Fish can be line-shy based on color

b. Blue line is superior to other line colors because fish aren't spoked by them.

c. Line-watching is crucial.

2. Suspending a jig a few feet off bottom and holding it still is an example of vertical fishing.
(Isn't that a dead-stick presentation?)

3. A Double-Cross jig head does less damage to soft plastics and holds them better vs one spike on the jig shaft.
(When you answer, consider what happens when changing the lure.)

4. In a tournament using the certain lure adverised:
In two days, 24lbs of crappie were caught, averaging 1.7 lbs/ fish/ 7 fish per day.
Is that even possible?!!!

5. Is jig head color important? The video insisted it is.

6. a.How often do you float fish vs cast & wind?

b.How many of you use 10-12' rods for float fishing ?

I won't give any of my opinions of which you all know I got plenty! Promise! :)

Sometimes some of it matters, sometimes not so much is my thoughts

Hmmm fishing is fishing not only for fish but what lure, presentation technique etc brings it full circle. It’s easy to get sucked in to purchasing an item because an individual or company say so.

People always ask me what is the best lure to catch crappie. If you fish for them at some point your going to slay them on a particular bait. That bait will become your favorite bait from that point forward. I find most marketing in the fish catching market is for the fisherman not the fish.

1. Line color matters:
a. Fish can be line-shy based on color.........I feel Crappie not line shy like sat Trout :twocents

b. Blue line is superior to other line colors because fish aren't spoked by them. Same as above :deadhorse

c. Line-watching is crucial. Nope . jig fishing I never watch line but use heavier jigs . I feel the thump or see them hit on livescope .:ThumbsUp

2. Suspending a jig a few feet off bottom and holding it still is an example of vertical fishing. Call it whatever you wish .:dono
(Isn't that a dead-stick presentation?)

3. A Double-Cross jig head does less damage to soft plastics and holds them better vs one spike on the jig shaft.
(When you answer, consider what happens when changing the lure.)
Never used one but it makes sense if it hold better then changing may damage plastics.:ThumbsUp

4. In a tournament using the certain lure adverised:
In two days, 24lbs of crappie were caught, averaging 1.7 lbs/ fish/ 7 fish per day.
Is that even possible?!!!
Real close 14 X 1.7 is 23.8:popcorn

5. Is jig head color important? The video insisted it is.
Not in my opinion but do what works for you.:juggle

6. a.How often do you float fish vs cast & wind?
Neither I used to drag baits with rods in hand some called Strolling . But not since livescope .:fish

b.How many of you use 10-12' rods for float fishing ? I favor light 11.5 ' rods for everything . Used 13' for a good while till I started flipping jigs on them with livescope .:highfive

I say presentation is biggest factor getting bit . Colors not a big deal for me but rate of fall or being able to put it on fish. So spoiled using livescope getting to put it on Crappie's nose , don't ever plan to fish without .:banghead

Like you said, they're SALES PITCHES, you don't have to swing at them. That's like AWD is great to have, but they don't tell you that when you need to replace 1 tire you have to replace all 4, Don't ask me how I know :yikes. IF you don't the different sizes in the tires due to wear and no wear can ruin the AWD.

In muddy water i think color is more important than in clear water i will have either an orange or pink head in stained to muddy water cant do nothing but help right?
When pitching jigs over stake beds in shallow water i'm a line watcher have caught many a fish watching my line in water under 6ft i use my ls to get on the bed power pole down 20' off of em and let the games begin.
I use wire keeper jigheads 100pct of the time when using solid body plastics and the plastics i pour i use hard plastisol you can catch a bunch of fish before the plastic tears.
I like a 10' pole when i cast a bobber you can take up alot of slack with just a flick of the wrist it comes in handy on those windy spring days when you have to play catch up with your bobber.

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Originally Posted by Ketchn

Sometimes some of it matters, sometimes not so much is my thoughts

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What Ketchn said! ^^^

I feel 50% of the time what works one day might not be the best strategy the next. It’s 40% luck, 50 % skill, and 10% what they want that day.


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It really often boils down to your individual tastes in baits and confidence it will ketch fish a lot of the time .
Any Light line and any small jig is hard to beat in the world of let’s ketch some crappie most days

Yep, as others have said, sometimes color matters and sometimes it doesn't. In general, I'm a firm believer that presentation is always more important than color and that's true with Crappie fishing, fly-fishing for trout, bass fishing or most anything else. I'm also not a huge believer that line color spooks many fish, but again, at times I suppose it might, especially in very clear water. As far as whether it's possible to average 1.7 pounds for your best fish over a 2-day period, sure it's possible on certain water. I think good tournament (or hobby) anglers average 2 pounds for their best fish on a lot of waters.

$2/5 jigs + $4 s/h for a fancy collar jig = quite a bit to pay for jigs that damage as much as any collar jig. Thank you but I'll make my own wire grub-grip attachment as follows:

1. 24g floral arrangement wire
2. line up as shown
3. wrap once around post under line tie
4. clip one side close
5. bend wire as shown
6. rig the soft plastic and swing the wire into it. Zero damage when lure removed.

Note: for the least damage to the plastic order collarless jigs on Ebay for .21 each/ free s/h.

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24lbs of crappie were caught, averaging 1.7 lbs/ fish/ 7 fish per day = 11.9lbs. per day!
That's some monster crappie in anybodys book much less that creel weight/day! I'm lucky to catch 3-12" crappie/day!

Color is in the eye of the beholder; the color a fish sees depends on a lot of factors such as the distance underwater the lure is away from the fish, water clarity, sun angle, etc. The clear plastic grub shown above catches fish anywhere/ anytime as long as the lure is near enough like for any lure of any color.

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Originally Posted by Spoonminnow

We all have preferences when it comes to what rods we carry, lures, line, etc. as well as our reasons for using them. Here are statements made on in advertising video.

1. Line color matters:
a. Fish can be line-shy based on color

b. Blue line is superior to other line colors because fish aren't spoked by them.

c. Line-watching is crucial.

2. Suspending a jig a few feet off bottom and holding it still is an example of vertical fishing.
(Isn't that a dead-stick presentation?)

3. A Double-Cross jig head does less damage to soft plastics and holds them better vs one spike on the jig shaft.
(When you answer, consider what happens when changing the lure.)

4. In a tournament using the certain lure adverised:
In two days, 24lbs of crappie were caught, averaging 1.7 lbs/ fish/ 7 fish per day.
Is that even possible?!!!

5. Is jig head color important? The video insisted it is.

6. a.How often do you float fish vs cast & wind?

b.How many of you use 10-12' rods for float fishing ?

I won't give any of my opinions of which you all know I got plenty! Promise! :)

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Advertising is annoying sometimes but advertising is an important part of fishing. Latest rods, reel, baits, boats and trucks to pull boat are all advertised, marketing a specific audience .
This site is dependent on advertisers. You nor I have to watch videos of people fishing with products they endorse.
nor do we have to purchase said products.
We can make choices as to whether we watch videos and we choose how we spend our money. Actually some of the both funniest and informative commercials I've seen are/were fishing commercials.

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Originally Posted by Spoonminnow

$2/5 jigs + $4 s/h for a fancy collar jig = quite a bit to pay for jigs that damage as much as any collar jig. Thank you but I'll make my own wire grub-grip attachment as follows:

1. 24g floral arrangement wire
2. line up as shown
3. wrap once around post under line tie
4. clip one side close
5. bend wire as shown
6. rig the soft plastic and swing the wire into it. Zero damage when lure removed.

Note: for the least damage to the plastic order collarless jigs on Ebay for .21 each/ free s/h.

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24lbs of crappie were caught, averaging 1.7 lbs/ fish/ 7 fish per day = 11.9lbs. per day!
That's some monster crappie in anybodys book much less that creel weight/day! I'm lucky to catch 3-12" crappie/day!

Color is in the eye of the beholder; the color a fish sees depends on a lot of factors such as the distance underwater the lure is away from the fish, water clarity, sun angle, etc. The clear plastic grub shown above catches fish anywhere/ anytime as long as the lure is near enough like for any lure of any color.

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If I want a bait keeper on my crappie jig heads I tie on half of a regular staple to the shank of the hook. It's cheap and keeps the plastic secure.

Advertising isn't the problem:DISINFORMATION IS!
Anglers chose to believe what they want to based on testing new ideas. On Crappie.com those ideas are based on our shared experiences - no brag/ just fact. When someone blows smoke up my (you know what), it puts me on guard leading me to quesion the validity of any future facts from the anonymous source - that source being someone being paid to blow smoke.

The claims quoted were put up for discussion and member scrutiny based on our varied experiences over many years. Believe what you want. Just be aware that the so called facts may not be supported by the claims presented.

(BTW - the jigs are not only very expensive, but do more damage to soft plastic lures when removed than any jig sold. My method does zero damage and allows the lure to be rerigged over and over. Now that's a fact!)

There's an old saying--can't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see---. If I feel a product does not live up to the hype I choose not to buy it. I am slow to buy in with new products and prefer to read reviews from fisherman. Crappie.com is a very good source for learning. I don't post a lot but I do read a fair amount and trust the folks giving reviews on products. To each their own.

That was a nice tip. May incorporate that into my fishing. My problem is finding time to do all the things I want to. But I may have more time in couple years when I retire.

Folks that are solid professionals and good with an LS unit that really have a solid pattern down and a VERY healthy lake to hit might be able to average 1.7 or more for a few days , but to be sure it's a pipe dream to think you can do that all the time anywhere.
a 1.7 lb average is REALLY good , a 2 lb. average is rare and above 2 averages are only in a few lakes under certain circumstances.
just fyi ....