Dilemma advice

Scenario : hammering like a madman, 200 or more per visit, float down EVERY cast and a yak pulls up in front of you in your spot on the creek .
You move a bit down to not Create a larger issue and he moves and blocks you yet again. This goes on repeatedly as you rip em like a fishing show . He never ketches a SINGLE fish .
No words exchanged and you are just a grinning like a Cheshire Cat as you toss em back in the water after a photo. You really want to tell him what a rude you know what individual he is , but avoid dialogue due to the possibility of a really bad situation gone way worse.
He eventually moved on and it really didn’t slow you up much , but one wonders if one should push it , a simple video of him doing it over and over will get him a big fine as it is illegal to harass any person in the pursuit of fish and or game law biding sportsman in our state .
2 days in row btw and 2 different individuals ....
Would never have been an issue years ago , but in this brave new world it is quite commonplace to break laws and be rude and have the who cares attitude.
How would you keep it from escalating is my question, really thought about a weighted float and an “errant” High velocity zinger cast , but as daddy said , son the true test of good manners is putting up with bad manners.
Seems to get worse down there every year , maybe just not hit that creek anymore?
Just wondering is me :dono

Do the Christian thing and kill ‘em with kindness….prolly best IMHO

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeCrappie

Do the Christian thing and kill ‘em with kindness….prolly best IMHO

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This was how it was handled both times .... I just kept smiling even though right on the tip of my tongue was words he probably never EVER heard before :Rofl
Second fella was more just watching during his encroachment and eventually started to ask questions about what I was doing so different than him. He was the weighted float fella running his jig way to fast for crappie and just Ketchn small sandbass .

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeCrappie

Do the Christian thing and kill ‘em with kindness….prolly best IMHO

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It’s not even that anymore. Just too many crazies with a gun stashed in the kayak or whatever. It’s just not worth it. You probably had the best revenge by keeping the hammer down.
Bob

Respect hasn't been taught to children in a lot of years

I would have just carried on minding my business and hope he moved on. That is extremely rude to invite himself to the KABOOM party.

My buddy had that problem with a sail boat years ago. It was settled by a well placed muskie lure to the sail. Message received [emoji846]

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I have to bite my tongue at about every outing.
I think to myself…they are lucky this didn’t happen 30-40 years ago!! Lol
Years ago while sauger fishing I was anchored in current and a boat pulled along side within casting distance. I was vertical fishing and catching fish right beside the boat. This guy was making 40 foot cast coming within 10 feet of me. He was getting hung up and breaking off a lot as I was catching keeper sauger.
Finally I just said…do you want to fish in my boat??? He didn’t respond and eventually moved away.



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Not sure how long you were there but at 200 plus fish and taking photos how did you even have time to see another person?

I'm sorry but I am not that forgiving of those who show no regard for anybody other than themselves. Both of them were probably ignorant, having never been taught manners by their parents.

If he kept his yak outside my casting area and was just casting into the area I was fishing I would have no choice but to ignore it. But if he moved into the area I was casting I would have asked him to move farther out so my lures would not hit him as I casted.. I would have been polite but I would have asked him to move so I could continue casting.

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Originally Posted by Ketchn

it is illegal to harass any person in the pursuit of fish and or game law biding sportsman in our state

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Well, keeferfish....it's a good thing that's not the law in Missouri. I'd have to report you every time we go fishing!!! :Rofl

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Originally Posted by Joedog

Well, keeferfish....it's a good thing that's not the law in Missouri. I'd have to report you every time we go fishing!!! :Rofl

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That's funny

If they cruise up in casting range on purpose to cut me off. I usually launch one in their boat or pick up my bass rod with some heavy line and throw across theirs and yank the whole mess in.
They usually get the message.



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Might need to read them the law and go from there. Lots of people crowd successful fishermen here. Nobody crowds me!

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Originally Posted by keeferfish

Not sure how long you were there but at 200 plus fish and taking photos how did you even have time to see another person?

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This time walking included about 4 hours ,possibly 5 , started after lunch left when the sun settled
When we yak that creek 300 is easy in half a day trips , it is that good if you hit it right and know how to hit them

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Originally Posted by BobC

It’s not even that anymore. Just too many crazies with a gun stashed in the kayak or whatever. It’s just not worth it. You probably had the best revenge by keeping the hammer down.
Bob

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The main reason I continued to smile and hammer , likely he had a gun to be so brave and such a trouble maker looking for a place to make it happen was my thoughts exactly :highfive

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Originally Posted by silverside

My buddy had that problem with a sail boat years ago. It was settled by a well placed muskie lure to the sail. Message received [emoji846]

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Sailboats have the right of way on every body of water I’ve ever been on. While under sail…
Just saying…don’t know your buddy’s situation…


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Originally Posted by Chuck Adams

Sailboats have the right of way on every body of water I’ve ever been on. While under sail…
Just saying…don’t know your buddy’s situation…


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Seems that was the first thing taught to me before I could even drive a car , we had several boats when I was a kid and the smallest one was what I got to motor around in :highfive

Take out your phone and start recording. If they ask what you're doing, just say"gathering evidence!" Usually works.

A 50 cal mounted in rear pedestal usually deters visitors!!


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Originally Posted by Chuck Adams

Sailboats have the right of way on every body of water I’ve ever been on. While under sail…
Just saying…don’t know your buddy’s situation…


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This isn't totally true, even through most of those who own sailboats think they always have the right of way, even when they are using their engine.

Sailboat vs. Powerboat

Remember that a sailboat running an engine, even if sails are up, is legally categorized as a powerboat. In a
congested area it is best not to run the engine with sails still up, because captains of other boats may not be aware of
your engine running and may assume you are operating under sailing rules.

The Rules are simple when a sailboat and a small recreational powerboat meet

In most situations the sailing boat is the stand-on vessel and the powerboat must give way.

If the sailboat is overtaking a powerboat, the powerboat is the stand-on vesseland the sailboat must give.
way.

Any boat with more maneuverability must give way to any boat with less maneuverability (see below).

https://wow.uscgaux.info/Uploads_wowII/095-45-01/Rules_of_the_Road_for_Sailboats.pdf

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Originally Posted by happycaster58

Take out your phone and start recording. If they ask what you're doing, just say"gathering evidence!" Usually works.

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I did that on Lake Worth this past summer with a water skier who kept harnessing me and a friend while we were a rather productive dock. He would ski past us, around 200 ft from us, continue around 300 yards past us, then turn around and ski past us again going the other way. We would have to grab hold of our seats each time due to the huge waves he was generating by going so close to us as he pasted.

When he started his 3rd run I started recording him. On his fourth run he fall as he pasted us on his return trip. I moved to where he was to take a picture of his boat number. When he saw me approaching he got back into his boat. When he saw me taking a picture of the front of his boat, he yelled "What are you doing?" I told him I had videos of his going back and forth by us, creating huge waves each time he passed. I wanted a good picture of his boat number so the game warden could find him when I filed a criminal complaint against him for harassing fisherman as they fished. He told me I didn't own the water and if I didn't like him skiing past me I could go fish somewhere else. I explained the law to him and told him the videos I had of him repeatedly skiing past me and the waves he was generating proved he was intentionally harassing us.

He called me a few names and told me to go fish somewhere else as he was going to continue skiing by me, whether I liked it or not. He told me he had the right to ski anywhere he wished and in any manner he wished so if I didn't like it I could go somewhere else to fish. I told him I was still recording him. I recommended he explain his rights to the judge as the judge sentenced him for harassing fishermen. I told him I hope he was having fun, as the penalty for what he was doing was a $2000 fine and 180 days in jail.

He finally got the message and left. We never saw him again, although we fished that particular dock 3-4 times a week as it was generally very productive.

You did it right IMHO.
I have learned to just let it roll off.
Same observation as yours, anymore they don’t care, and I think they’re wanting to see if you’ll do something .


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Originally Posted by Chuck Adams

Sailboats have the right of way on every body of water I’ve ever been on. While under sail…
Just saying…don’t know your buddy’s situation…


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They circled his anchored boat at around 30 ft from his and was trying to be annoying.

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Originally Posted by Redge

You did it right IMHO.
I have learned to just let it roll off.
Same observation as yours, anymore they don’t care, and I think they’re wanting to see if you’ll do something .


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one thing for sure its a really long walk to get in there and some jack in a yak aint gunna ruin it ...
just smile and sling as he don't and he will eventually move on with his frustration .:highfive

so let me better understand this , if mister jak in the yak had a sail up , i would been in the wrong on the right of way ......:Rofl

I'd have let him know just exactly how sorry what he was doing was. I can't help it but when done that way i absolutely can't keep from speaking up. :dono