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going to be shopping for a mid sized pick up with a 6ft box and a cab and a half style. for towing my boat any suggestions or pro's and cons of the new trucks, seems like the Toyota Tacoma is at the top of the list, any thoughts on the competition, Colorado, ranger, canyon or the nisson, 4cyl vs 6cyl ect
chet
Go with the Toyota.
It will out last the others and hold its value better.
Just crazy what the prices have gotten to.
I’ve been looking at the Toyota Tacoma and the forerunner prices for a year or so.
Normally and for years and years I’ve been a Ford guy.
They are high also so I guess that’s the way it is going to be!!
Can’t buy them even at sticker price.
10k over sticker is just Stupid I think.
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i really have not shopped yet, but i was hoping to buy at under MSRP, but it may be that way at the present time. hope when i am ready to buy prices will favor the buyer
chet
I was at my local ford dealership last week. I know the owner and most of the salesman, mechanics, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by chetc
Sat in the showroom shooting the breeze for a while.
It is just mind boggling the prices of trucks and SUV’s.
Paid less for my house than what a new super duty diesel cost.
The salesman said there were only a couple vehicles you could buy for sticker price. All others were 10k over sticker.
I guess if people continue to pay it will stay that way.
Ford truck plant and another plant that builds the escape is only 10–-15 miles away from me.
They have Thousands upon Thousands of those vehicles parked in my county and several other locations waiting on some part or another.
Not even the computer chip.
Wiper motors, door handles, and other things.
The supply chain is unreal on some of the stuff.
My buddies son is the Building Chairman for the Union at 1 plant and says it’s not getting much better.
I think the bottom is gonna fall out of the car industry at some point but that’s just My opinion.
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Hard to beat the Tacoma.
When I was shopping for a new truck I visited my local Toyota dealer, and first thing the salesman said to me was they do not haggle about the sticker price. AND they had every truck loaded up with $200 floor mats, $300 paint protection etc....Quote:
Originally Posted by chetc
I found a nice Nissan loaded up with the options I wanted $4K under the Taco. 6200# towing capacity. Not as may bells and whistles as my bride's Subaru Outback, but a nice solid truck.
Tacoma
First, how big is the boat?
I wouldn't take a Nissan if you gave it to me.
Toyota is good from a reliability standpoint. But the Tacoma hasn't seen a major update since 2015, and the drivetrains are probably 10 years behind that. That's good or bad depending on how you look at it. Only engine options are a 4 cyl and the 3.5 V6, which for even light towing I wouldn't want that 4 cylinder. The V6 is pretty stout though.
I'd put the new Ranger as second choice before the GM. The 2.3 turbo is a proven sturdy little engine that's been produced in various forms for 10+ years, started in the Mazda CX7 and the Mazdaspeed3/6 back in the mid 2000s. Although again, I wouldn't want to do any serious towing with it.
My thoughts also, about the bottom dropping out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Adams
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I am curious why you would make that statement, without any reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atimm693
In 2017 we had some serious snow here in western Kentucky and my 2004 Ford Ranger, 2WD wouldn't make it up my 1/4 mile gravel drive. I went looking for a 4WD pickup and after shopping in person and on-line I went to look at the Nissans (Ford had not released the New Ranger yet). The Frontier was a full $4K less than a comparable Tacoma. My Frontier is an upper model with lots of convenience features and a towing capacity of 6200 pounds. It performs admirably in snow and gets, what I consider, adequate gas mileage (22 MPG Highway - 17 MPG around town). The only problem I had was not Nissan's fault when I got bumped in the rear and knocked one of the back-up sensors loose.
For the money it has been a very adequate vehicle and it will probably be the last truck I buy.
My 2¢
Yeah the Nissan snub is a surprise to me also. When it came time for me to buy a truck I simply wanted something reliable with four seats and a V6. I shopped around and the Nissan was my best option. I have owned two 4 cylinder Nissan pickups and put 150k miles on both. My truck is a 2019 and the only issue with it was the interior is pretty basic compared to other trucks. This was not a big deal for me because I was more interested in function. I wish the bed was a little longer but other than that it has been a great truck. I pulls my boat just fine. I purchased my truck right before COVID hit and I would hate to have to buy a truck now since the prices have gone thru the roof. The Tacoma is a great truck but it is more expensive than the Nissan but quite a bit. I have no knowledge of the new Nissan Frontier's but I am happy with my purchase.
They're cheap but there's a reason for it. I guess if that's truly what you want is a bare bones, cheap, utilitarian truck, look no further. Their biggest problems are limited to cars with the Jatco CVT transmissions, very expensive to replace and they don't last very long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grainraiser
Nissan has a really good history of making solid engines, I will say that, especially the VQ series.
I bought a 2020 Ranger in Dec 2020. It is rated for 7500 lbs towing and I have pulled my 25ft center console with it numerous times without any struggles. I got the lariat package with the bell and whistles and I couldn't be happier with its comfort and drivability. It now has 36K miles and hasn't had an issue. It also gets about 24 mpg!
Chris
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Chris
what engine would that be
chet
It's the 2.3L turbo. 270 hp/ 310 lbft of torque. It's surprising how strong it is from 0-70 mph! Compared to my old 1988 ranger with the old 2.3 it's a race car!
Go test drive one, you'll see how fun they are.
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Originally Posted by chetc
Seriously look at 1/2 tons too.
I get 24mpg in my F150 3.5L Ecoboost empty on the highway. 3.55 gears 2wdr. XLT.
17-19pmg towing my Alumacraft boat, 2,300pounds.
Check out the mileage on the 1/2 tons and compare it to the mid-sized trucks. you might be surprised in the lack of difference.
Also consider that every engine will burn more fuel the closer you get to it's max towing capacity, and higher speeds. Can a mid-size tow a boat, no doubt about it. Will it get worse gas mileage than a fullsize for the same boat, maybe, depends on engine/drivetrain configuration.
Look at more than just, can it do it? Look at the whole package, your daily usages, and lifestyle. Buy a vehicle that fits your lifestyle. What works for me, may nto work for you. A midsized won't pull my 5th wheel and boat together.
This was my biggest gripe with small trucks. I had a 98 Ranger for a while, single cab 4cyl 2wd. I averaged around 20mpg with it, I think the best I ever got was 24. It wouldn't tow much of a boat and wasn't all that useful for truck stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanr3
The 06 Silverado that replaced it gets 14.5 average. An extra $10 a week in gas which wasn't a big deal to me, and it has 4x4 and a V8.
Just 1 word "SILVERADO"
Attachment 444339There are a few good choices for what you are looking for. My brother is on the road alot driving maybe 30,000 miles a year? He prefers 4 door 4x4 Ford f150s with ecoboost engines. I got this 4x4 Sport Tacoma back in Feb 2022. I got it for a daily driver, grocery getter, road trip truck.. It will tow my old 19ft skiff but I still use my 2005 F150 with 5.4 V8 for woods and boat pulling. So far we are liking the Tacoma.
2022 Ranger Quad Cab 4 cyl. Turbo. Had a Matching Velocity Blue Topper installed. Traded my 18 Explorer(Great Money) 4 months ago. My answer = Ranger AGAIN!! 28 MPG hwy/19.5 boat tow...Scary Power!Attachment 444394
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Consider looking at some 2 year old low milage well kept trucks. Who knows, may find a great deal.
I know a guy that buys a new truck when His gets 25, 000 miles on them, dealer serviced and all.
He says "Man, trucks are worn out when you get over 20,000 miles on 'em, ya know?"
Mean while, one of my trucks I bebop around in will roll over 300,000 miles pretty soon, I put every mile on it.
To each their own.
Just curious..... What did you buy?Quote:
Originally Posted by chetc
Chris
I bought an 03 Camry and an 03 Tundra new. No major problems with either one of them. Still going strong.
I think the pay over MRSP or MRSP price will be ending shortly,the lots with trucks are getting fuller and fuller around here, with the feed raising interest every 6 months there's going to be some $$$ hurt coming soon to a lot of folks.
Clint, Im a full sized pickup man. Cost more to operate (gas) but I like the room. I had a toyota mid sized truck and it pulled my Skiff good but since I went big again I now have a ranger and dont even want to think about going back again. Good luck with whatever you decide. Ive been back and forth with the size of trucks during my lifetime. The larger ones does have their advantages.;):)
I had a 2018 Nissan Frontier. Bought it new in August of 18. Zero complaints , zero issues with it. Much cheaper than the competitors, same or better build quality. Held its resale just fine.
Im now in a ‘21 Titan. For the same reasons. Also, the Titan has a 5 year 100,000mile bumper to bumper warranty.
Don't under estimate the Dodge Dakota.....come with the 8cyl, if you need it, or 6cyl if you don't need the extra. That little 6, 3.9L motor is pretty stout. Just picked up a 2002 model (probably a little older than most shop for) for $600, due to the oil pressure being low. Has 102,000 miles, AC works, 4wd works, new tires...and it's a manual. After 3 days of fixing in the garage, I have a dependable hunting/fishing truck that gets me about 20 mpg on the highway in 5th gear, and will pull anything I need it to. And, they are more roomy than a Ranger, or an S-10.
I went with a Tundra and am pleased with the interior room and power. The V8 pulls my 20ft boat easily.
look at the f 150 with the ecoboost tows as well as the 5.0 and gets 15-17 towing and 23 on highway
Avoid the 3.7 like the plague. One of the worst motors ever made.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrwillis
No one drives that little Honda Ridgeline with the v6? I heard they were pretty good little trucks,,,,
It should be a good platform. They have been around a good while. It should work fine for most of what I use a truck for
[QUOTE=Atimm693;4331902]Avoid the 3.7 like the plague. One of the worst motors ever made.[/QUOTEI
The Dakotas I've owned have always had the 6cyl, 3.9l motor. Never had issues with them if maintained well. Never had the 4.7l, 8cyl.....the reports on them and gas mileage turns my nose from them. I have a 5.3 8cyl Chevy for bigger pulls and for my whole family to fit in to go to the lake or wherever, but this Dakota is what I buzz around in everywhere!
Man I wanted one of those. The commercials were great. Then I saw one up close. They were designed for hauling a set of golf clubs or a potted plant. All the neat features got in the way of one another, especially if you wanted to use it like a truck.....course this was 15 years ago. They might be cool now :donoQuote:
Originally Posted by Takeum
The Honda Ridgeline was NOT a pickup truck. It was and is a minivan with a semi-truck body. It is a Front Wheel van with a mini-truck body. It now has am allQuote:
Originally Posted by Takeum
with drive system that makes the rear wheels an assistant mode that accusement rear drive. Not bad if you are looking for a better than an awhile drive but not a true 4 wheel drive offered a four wheel drive offered by the Frontier.
im driving my 3rd gmc canyon at4 model 4x4 double cab. it pulls my boat a fast as i want to go. thats fast.300+ hp and tow button that raises the shift point rpm. at 87 it may be the last one i need.
Vehicles these days last so much longer than the ones of years ago.
I've owned multiple nissan trucks & kept them all until they had a lot lof miles on them. I have only put one starter on one & one alternator on another. If i were shopping for a mid size truck it would be 1toyota, 2 nissan & ranger. Do they still make a dakota?Quote:
Originally Posted by Atimm693
Dakota is no longer made, in the states anyway. Look for that to change in a few years. The question is, will stelantis/ram make it on a unibody? EV only?Quote:
Originally Posted by Les Young
Off topic - I saw a video that the IH Scout could be making a return, in EV form only though.
How International Scout is making a comeback! - YouTube
Wouldn't be surprised to see it come back as a unibody pickup, small turbo and a hybrid option, to compete with the Maverick that Ford can't keep in stock. Toyota is working on one too.Quote:
Originally Posted by skunked again