Ok a few quick questions ??:D
Is it better to use live bait on a lure or just on a plain hook ??
Should they hooked head first or tail first ??
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Ok a few quick questions ??:D
Is it better to use live bait on a lure or just on a plain hook ??
Should they hooked head first or tail first ??
head first if on a jig so it swims upright.
on a plain hook either way behind the back dorsal fin, or thru the lips, or eyes.
Now would that be the same with worms(waxworm, etc), and all as well??
Also if I'm just catching little bream, or crappie should go deeper, or shallower ??
Sticko was referring to using minnows ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tuxdaddy
My vote would be a plain hook. And waxworms/mealworms/etc ... can be hooked either from head to tail or tail to head. I prefer tail to head, and only allow the hook point to break thru the skin ... not come out past the barb. And, if you're catching small fish ... it's generally wiser to fish deeper.
.... cp :cool:
I use a plain hook. For grub-type baits, I hook them near the tail.
Why near the tail ???Quote:
Originally Posted by deathb4disco
Jig and wax worm for scent gets my vote.
Because they live longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuxdaddy
Any particular hook size ??
Any particular weight for the jigs, or styles ??
For maggots (my primary bait), I use a #14 or #16 dry fly hook. For a meal worm, I might use a #10 or #12.
If you use a jig, I'd keep it as light as possible to get a very slow fall.
The lightest jigs I have are 1/32 but I do have some trout magnet darts, that are 1/64... Which would you think is better for this, or should I just try both ??
Again thanks for the help in "schoolin" me on live baiting..
oops didnt ask what you were fishing for.
crickets are a great live bait for bream and i hook them under the colar behind the head so it does not kill them on a long light wire carlie hook ask at the bait shop for the size
for meal or wax worms thread them on the hook from the tail to the head. dont let any hang off the end or the bream will just steal the worm off there.
i use size #8 a lot of people use 10 or smaller but the fish swallow them so deep its hard to get them out.
if fishing for catfish use a # 1/0 or larger and larger night crawler worms, shrimp or stink bait.
Lighter is almost always better. When I float fish (about 95% of the time), I use a waggler rig where 70-90% of the weight is placed at the base of the float. This gives you plenty of weight for casting distance but still allows you to use a very light bait with a very slow fall. If you plan on using a float, try the stillwater waggler rig (scroll down to the bottom here):Quote:
Originally Posted by tuxdaddy
http://www.swinton54.freeserve.co.uk/rigs/float.html
If you were going to use the jig head, you wouldn't need to use the "dropper" shot that is mentioned.
I've only got an 8' rod, and I'd like to be able to fish a deeper when possible..
From the pics in the link they all look like fixed floats.. Would that still be possible ??
Thanks again for the help !!
Tux
With an 8' rod, you should be able to comfortably fish a fixed float set 6.5-7' deep. To fish deeper, you'd have to rig it slip style.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuxdaddy
Would it be better to use a swivel for this method, in case of line breakage ??
Some people use swivels. I usually don't. I always use a lighter leader, though. For example, if my main line is 6#, I'll use a 4# leader andwhere from 6-18" long. I use the loop-to-loop method to attach to my main line. A swivel would work fine, too.
OK ...
I'm thinking of going with a 2' leader of 4 lb test vanish, with a swivel and having my weight be a slip sinker(barrel type, possibly pegged), with my main line being fireline(6 lb test).. I'm leaning towards the 1/64th jigs from my trout magnets for my bait, since you said it should fall slowly...
How's it sounding so far ??
I always hook mine through the lips I think they live longer. I found that a light wire tru turn crappie hook can't be beat.
Sounds good. I would peg the barrel sinker. There's no advantage in having the weight sliding up and down on the line. How are you rigging your float (if you're using one)? If you have a lot of weight down the line from the float, it won't cast as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuxdaddy
I'll be trying it both ways, depending on where the fish are...
I don't have any thills( haven't checked my stashes yet), but I do have some of the crappie stalker floats, as well and those aerodynamic floats from cabelas..
I'm not sure which perform best so will give both a try..
Also I'm looking at getting some high-vis fireline just in case I try without a float as my eyes aren't what they used to be...
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For casting, I like wagglers, be they Thill or otherwise. I think wagglers are far superior to other floats.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuxdaddy
The June/July issue of In-Fisherman has a good article on the float & fly for panfish.
Quote:
Originally Posted by deathb4disco
Wagglers?? Can't say that I've heard of them...:confused:
Will have to do a search for them on google to see what they look like..
Ok are the wagglers easier for casting ?? Is that why you like them ??
Well I went out today to try what I've learned... When I got to the lake there were quite a few folks there and bobber fishing.. As I checked with them on what they were catching, the general report was "thieves and dinks", asd one lady put it.. Most were using worms of some sort...
I saw a shady area across the dam breast and made my way to it...
I set up with 2' leader of flouro, tied to a swivel with the weight above the swivel and pegged..
Within the first 30 minutes I got about 12 dinks, and was practically fishing on the bottow, with my bobber leaning.. I decided to pitch the bobber just go with the pegged sinker and got a few nice sized shellcrackers, 4 if I remember... I then tried it without sinker being pegged and landed 8 fish of different species(bream and shellcrackers), with only 1 being about the size of my hand wjhile the others were all over that...
Thanks for all the 'schoolin' you gave me and the patience to answer my numerous questions...
Make your own "light jigs" with bead chain eyes for weight. This will get you to 1/40 oz or 1/80 oz depending on the size bead chain. This makes an enticingly slow fall for Crappies and other panfish. See my post "It's no use if it ain't Chartreuse" for tying instructions.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuxdaddy
Here is a great float idea from KCBH
http://www.crappie.com/gr8vb3/showthread.php?t=19609
old ship:cool:
Yes, they're much better for casting and are more stable in the wind. More importantly, they show bites other floats do not!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tuxdaddy
I've posted on wagglers before. If you do a search here, you'll find some more info on them. I'd post more, but I'm presently stuck on a dial-up connection!
Bead chain eyes?? I think I've seen them at gander mountain in the fly tying section correct??Quote:
Originally Posted by shipahoy41
I'll checkout out that thread ..
Thanks Ship:D
Quote:
Originally Posted by deathb4disco
I'll check into wagglers as well .. Not sure if I'll be getting the thills but I'll definitely get some waggler type floats to try out..
Tahnks again for all the help !!:D
Sources for wagglers:
www.wackerbaits.com
http://www.belvoirdale.com/
www.nisid.com
Wacker's selection of wagglers is limited, but they're very reliable. I have not ordered from the other two companies, but they were recommended to me. There are also some English tackle shops that will ship to the US.
Thanks,
I'll be sure to check them out ...:)