We all see the pictures of guides everyday putting pictures on social media with one guy and 30 fish or two people and 40 fish. Why would they keep their limit. Do you feel guides should keep their limit?
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We all see the pictures of guides everyday putting pictures on social media with one guy and 30 fish or two people and 40 fish. Why would they keep their limit. Do you feel guides should keep their limit?
I would believe if my job depended on a good fishery I would do anything I could to keep said fishery in very good condition
Meh…it’s legal. I have. I haven’t. Sometimes I wish I could.
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Originally Posted by Wannabe...
Just cause it's legal does it make it right?
If it’s within the law then I am fine with it. Why would we restrict guides from keeping a limit?
He may be gifting them to the client. In 19 years of guiding my clients got all the fish I caught.
Pretty sure that’s what SK does as well with his clients.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oregon slabman
Happy clients mean larger tips, more referrals and more repeat bookings.
A smart businessman does everything he can legally do to exceed his client's expectations.
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No names told but a guide in Illinois got busted a few years back. He was catching more than his limit and counted his total in with his clients. 3 people 45 crappie, more than 15 were caught by him. I believe he lost his right to guide for a few years and maybe fined some as well. If a guide fishes every day I would think maybe not catch a limit if his clients are catching fish. That is what he is being paid for, not to fill their freezer. Just my opinion
Guides are out there everyday they shouldn’t be keeping their limit. It isn’t helping the fishery.
Next question should guides be required to have a guide permit?
Your is opening up a big can of worms…. And I’m good with that… But that bein said I think that if they can make money off a free fishery they should have to give back to that fishery in way of guide license of some sort… I don’t guide I have no intention of guiding but I feel like guides have hurt our lakes… but until they make or pass a law to limit there is nothing you can do. We at least have a boat limit of fishQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodgeman
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I agree it's a sticky situation, but sometimes things need said. The good guides will have no problem buying a permit and following the rules. And I do hope the guides aren't hurting the lakes. But we all heard the stories a few years ago about the guides at Enid and the one guy have 152 fish. Guides should set the bar.
I agree it does need to be said! 100% I just think there are way to many “guides” out there for it not to hurt our lakes…. I was born and raised on Grenada lake my grandfather commercial fished it for years! There is a huge difference from what it used to be and what it is now…Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodgeman
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So…… how about the feller that fishes by himself, and also catches a limit everyday ?
I don't know many of them. I know I get tired of cleaning 10-12 a trip. And a guy that just fishes isn't making money off the lake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micanopy
Point is guides shouldn't keep their limit. Period Guides should set a higher bar than the average fisherman since they are making money.
Have gone out with a guide multiple times and he caught his limit along with ours as we always got the fish and he does it all the time. IMO he is in the people pleasing business and it's just good for building relations and getting bigger tips which is part of his income. I know some folks on here get all wrapped around the axle about how many fish are taken out of a lake but I have spoken with several fish biologists and the just chuckle and all say that fishermen doesn't impact the population as much as everyone thinks. It's more about food sources and how good of a spawn did they have.
Have one of my friends who is an incredible crappie or truly any type of fisherman get all enraged about how many fish are taken out of T hill and while I don't laugh at him he is not correct as it is one of most underutilized lakes in state according to the rangers and biologist I have spoken with there. You might see a few fisherfolk on the rip rap at the main concourse and a few boats in parking area and there is one other but still relatively speaking not many at all and yet HE thinks it's being over fished because there is a hard core of really terrific guys who fish it most days from bank and take a limit sometimes but in big picture it's not much at all. but that's like 2 to 5 guys, insignificant.
Point is have zero issue with a guide giving his fish to his clients, just not that big a deal IMO.
In my lifetime I’ve seen crappie limits at Grenada drop from 30 to 20 to now 15. I’ve also seen length limits imposed and increased. I do not think that’s due to a decrease in food supply or a bad spawn. I think it’s due to increased pressure from fishermen. But that’s just my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by hdhntr
As to guides keeping their own limit or giving it away, I’m fine with it. As Erin said, with the boat limit imposed, it’s 10 fish.
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I have seen the limits change over the years on the big 4 from 30- 10' limit, to 25, back to 30, then 20, now 15 with a 40 fish limit per boat. It seems fair to me that a guide and 2 clients can take out 40. What they do with those fish are up to them. I'm sure all of us at others times have given our limit of fish to our partners. We probably need to change the culture in regards to keeping all the legal fish we catch but with that being said...…. everybody loves to eat crappie. I'm thankful for way the state monitors the population. I thought in the 80's we would fish them all out the way we hauled out limit after limit but thankful I was wrong.
I'm sure I don't have the facts straight but didn't The Corps add a supposedly sterile bred Crappie to Sardis, Granada, and Enid Lakes to reduce the populations? Seems after that the fish populations in said lakes took a hit they never recovered from. We catch "Wild" Crappie, nothing is dumped into the rivers on the coast but Bass. Our Spawns have been pounded the last six years along with the lack of successful bait hatches to hurt our populations. I have seen crappie migrating in the river, several thousand in the schools, 1ft under the surface, mostly shorts followed by Gar at the back of the school feeding off the stragglers. The fish in front seem oblivious to the carnage at the back of the school. It's been 6 years since those conditions but also 3-5 named storms hitting the coast each season causing the problem. The coastal rain average is 60-65 inches, we received 120+ inches of rain last year. Mississippi Sound was fresh water for most of the time.
To answer your original question. Yes they should be able to keep their limit for the client if they actually catch them. Brings along another question. Should guides fish with a client? I guess it's acceptable after client's limits are met in my opinion. They can gift those fish after that if they choose to whom ever.
Yes, all guides should be required to pay for special license as well as pay taxes on the income earned. My business pays them each year even though I may not agree where that money goes. Plus they should have to have captain licenses as well as all insurance (liability etc.) on hand. A business should be ran as such, with professionalism and standards. To many Johnny come yokels around. Some ain't even yokel... Lol
False, only Enid lake has had the re introduction of new crappie of all the big 4. Due to a fish kill off year's ago. And they were not hybrids to my knowledge. All the other 3 are as pure as summer rain on genetics. And Enid still raises some good fish!Quote:
Originally Posted by rojoguio
I found the article I was thinking about and it lists the lakes. The article is from 2012, 10 years ago and the fish are bred in North MS but for small impoundments.
Magnolia triploid hybrid crappie
I found the article I was thinking about and it lists the lakes. The article is from 2012, 10 years ago and the fish are bred in North MS but for small impoundments.
Magnolia triploid hybrid crappie
Here is a post on this site from 2005 or so.
https://www.crappie.com/crappie/main-crappie-fishing-forum/11620-yall-talked-triploid-crappie/
Anyone can fish everyday, I fished 5 days this week myself. Guides get good at fishing but it seems this question should be answered by the guide's client. If your on the water, properly licensed, you can fish. Seems if the guide checks the boxes the guide can fish too.
Agreed Snubby but you know as well as I do the guide isn't catching fish, he is letting the clients catch more fish on his limit. And I also agree they need a guide license and pay taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snubby
Not trying to hate on guides most are good guys, but as it has been said they should set the bar.
All this is trivial my friend. Best thing to realize is life is short. Pick your battles. I can say the biggest advice I was ever given was "some things you just can't fix" the other "if your gonna be dumb you better be tough". I trust our biologist as much as one can a guberment employee. But in the end I realize complaints get nowhere without merit or statistical evidence.
At the lakes I guide on in Ky , I have to have a fishing license, a Ky guide license, and a US Coast Guard OUPV Captains license. I can’t contribute to my clients’ creel and the rare times I might make a few casts is when I’m scouting bluegill/Redear beds. I don’t fish Livescope with clients. My job is to put my clients on fish and train them how to catch them. Whatever other guides do is their business.
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I’ve taken customers on several guided trips. From Kentucky Lake to Louisiana red fishing. I’ve never had a guide catch or keep his limit. In other words , if the limit was 15 a person and there were two of us paying, we fished until we caught 30 or time was up. I’ve never been allowed to catch the guides limit. I like it that way. From a guides point of view I’d think they would want it that way. If his 15 were kept every day, that’s 15 he can’t catch tomorrow.
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Is it legal to guide on C.O.E. lakes ? Have a license ? Pay Federal Taxes ? If Yes to all three questions then law abiding guides should be able to do with their 10/15 fish as I do with my 15 . jmo.
How would you even enforce that? Do I really want a game warden spending his entire day following one boat around to count how many each individual in the boat caught? We already don't have enough out there as it is, I dont want one spending his/her entire day with his/her eyes glued to one boat, does not feel like that would be an efficient use of resources. As long as there are no more fish in the boat than the combined limit of everybody on board, or the boat limit if boat limits are in place, then I'm fine. I don't care who caught which fish, seems like just splitting hairs at that point and would be hard to enforce.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grumpa
Just hire Wannabe as a guide then it’s a non-issue.[emoji23]
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What a Crappie thing to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Speck
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While I agree it should be a boat total, not individual counts. The law states otherwise, I do believe the guide's clients were actually law enforcement but I am not positive. Hopefully someone else from IL will chime in
That's is how they bust the majority of waterfowl guides and big game outfitters. Fed wildlife or state Gw's book a lot of hunts each year. They pose as client's and pounce on the offenders if an offense is committed. I really like the tactic to be honest. Seems to be the best way to lockup would be offenders.
I believe the number of guides and their businesses as well are hurting the fisheries. If you multiply the thousands upon thousands of numbers of fish each guide is responsible for removing from the waters yearly you will see the impact they are having.
That makes sense. Sounds like maybe this guy had a history of bad behavior if they were specifically targeting him to the extent they booked a trip with him. I'm all for protecting the resource and I pay close attention to the local regulations and follow them when I go, but I also mind my own business and let the people who are paid to enforce the laws worry about what the other boats are doing, unless its just totally obvious to the point I cant help but notice it and so egregious I cant help but report it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grumpa
I was very similar in my thinking as you till I saw the number flushed through the spillway on some nights during the bitter cold nights . Water was white with them . For this reason do I not believe next year will be better based on numbers of 11 inch fish from one year to the next .Quote:
Originally Posted by spindle
In Tennessee I believe the cost of a Guide's license is $250.. annually. Not much money for the money they make. There should at least be a Lottery draw for a few Guides allowed to Guide each year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erin Brewer
Yeah, you haven’t guided much of you think guides make a lot of money. They collect a lot, but they don’t net much.Quote:
Originally Posted by spindle
Wannabe…
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