I’ve tried a number of knots to join a 4# flouro leader to 10# nanofil. The only knot that seems to hold is a Huffnagle. But it is a little bulky.
Has anyone had success joining these 2 types of lines?
Thanks in Advance,
Dan
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I’ve tried a number of knots to join a 4# flouro leader to 10# nanofil. The only knot that seems to hold is a Huffnagle. But it is a little bulky.
Has anyone had success joining these 2 types of lines?
Thanks in Advance,
Dan
I have used the Alberto for several years, never had a failure on a fish so far..... I use 8 wraps down, 8 wraps back, had many failures initially until a friend showed me, Use the fluro or mono to form the loop, wrap with the nano or braid, seemed backwards to me, but works better at least for me. Since I usually use less than 6 ft. of leader, I often opt for mono over fluro, even more forgiving since Strech is not an issue, some fluro is more forgiving than others. Tight lines. g
Thanks, Griz!
Looks like a good knot for this application. Tied one up and pulled until the line broke. The 4# flouro broke about 3/16” from the knot. Definitely not in the knot. Will try to lube the lines better before pulling them tight. I think the friction (even though wetted) caused the leader to break where it did.
I didn’t test the weight of the pull, but the line took quite a bit of pull before breaking.
Great information,
Thanks…
Dan
I use the FG knot to join my braid and leader in my salt ventures and it works great. Super smooth going thru the guides, but it takes a bit to learn this one. Made me say bad words sometimes. A double uni joins my 2lb Nanofil and 4lb Stren leader. Kinda apples and oranges comparison cuz both of my lines are small. That’s the best I have to offer.
Thanks Skeet Bum.
The FG knot is a favorite of mine. But it hasn’t worked out for the micro line. The double Uni-Knots didn’t work for me. Line broke in knots. Maybe I am not skilled with that knot. I haven’t used that one much.
So far the Alberto and Huffnagle don’t break in the knots. But the Huffnagle is slightly bulky and tends to put a crook in the line.
I am knot obsessed. Before retiring, I ran a saltwater charter business that guided fly fishermen.
Thanks for the reply,
Dan
I have tried several lately, as my line was breaking at the knot, when l had a hangup. The FG knot is working better.
Don, you may want to give the Alberto a try for your ultra light lines. I am initially impressed with it and it is easier to tie than the FG. If you do, please let us know your findings.
Griz, have you used a small smooth nail or something similar to make your 8 up and down wraps on? It sure simplifies things for my aging eyes :-)
Roland Martin suggests using what he calls. Double Uni knot,,,,sounds the same as the Alberto know though,,,
Should have mentioned that, I use a ty-rite tool oftenQuote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDan
Ty-Rite Hook Holder - Standard size : Fly Fishing Tools : Sports & Outdoors (amazon.com)
After fishing the 4# leader on Nanofil for quite a while, it looks like the Alberto knot works best for me. It passes through the guides with no noticeable catching on the guides and is relatively easy and quick to tie. BUT, the Alberto will break in the knot consistently. I haven’t calculated the breaking strength, but 80% would be my best guess. I have tied a series of knots that won’t break in the knots, but it does slightly rattle the guides as it passes through. So, until I learn better its Griz’s Alberto for me.
Griz -
Do you have any tricks for holding the looped mono straight while wrapping the Nanofil 8 up and 8 down?
At this time a safety pin is my best option.
You mentioned the Ty-Rite Hook Holder, but I assume that is used for holding hooks and not tiny lines.
Will try to make a video, not very good at that. I will say that I have not had one fail on a fish, but some on pressure pulls, so likely a matter of time, have to be very careful to make sure it goes back through the loop the same way it went through initially. Maybe I can do some pictures tomorrow. I have tied it so long do not think about it.
A video would be great!
In fishing circumstances I also have never broken off on a fish. But when hung up it would break in the knot if the line would break at all.
i made a tool about 2 yrs ago. not sure if it's the modified alberto of the fg but the tool is really a time saver and it works, i made about 30 of them since and giving them out when the discussion comes up about tying braid to mono or flouro. gonna try and do a video and post it somewhere where it can be viewed
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this what the tool looks like, this is a prototype one of the first ones, one on the members is going to try to get a video of how it works, actually it is slick
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Uni to uni knot is what i use for nanofil to flouro. The most important thing is to moisten that line before you pull them together. That flouro is sensitive to friction and will break if you dont get it wet.
How to tie a Uni-to-Uni Knot (a.k.a. Double Uni) by PENN - YouTube
hi BobQuote:
Originally Posted by bobothewizard
i was tying the double uni knot for a few years. takes too long and when its windy on the boat it becomes a hassle, this knot i use with the tool works much better and must faster to tie, now the question is, is it strong, i have never lost a fish has the line broke at the knot. might be worth a try if i ever get a video up.
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I use 4# nan o fil exclusively. The majority of time I use the improved albright knot. At times I use the uni to uni knot. Neither of them has ever failed me.
I have tried several knots. Don't know what they are called. Uni, I think is one of them. My problem is seeing the line and then getting it to twist the way I want. poor eyesight, and fumble fingers I guess, then I get frustrated. Then really upset, and just put a small loop in an half hitch on each end I want to join. Slide one loop through the other, then take the loose end of the one over/ or outside and slide that tag end through the loop on the inside, then pull both ends so the loops lock together, sorta making a square knot. trim any excess at the half hitches. I have never had this fail, and the knots are small enough to slide right through the smallest of line guides...
I use the uni to uni on my bass setups also but my dad has a hard time with it slipping a lot also. Never really compared how we tie them but i think i am putting a few more wraps in them. Not 100% sure but i will ask him next week when i see him. He puts me to shame when we fish, 68 year old man stomping around the river in his hip boots and my 48 year old fat behind trying to keep up lol.
Thank you for sharing the video. I think I can get it now...Quote:
Originally Posted by slowhand
i finally got a video up, check it out, works slick
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- YouTube
https://youtu.be/PCToOfq3Png
Great tool, Chet! Your knot is not exactly an Alberto, which I like. Your knot looks like an Albright. But the tool could be easily used to tie the Alberto knot also. I am going to rig something similar up. Looks like the bullet was machined. I don’t have that capability.
Thanks again,
Danny
Hello Dan
the tool is not a rocket science, a simple 6mm bullet 90 or 100gr works nice, i made a simple jig, i drill the end about the same diameter as the spring, epoxy it in there and you are done, i do have a lathe also, no need if the hole is off center a little the fish don't care LOL, i probably made 30 or 40 over the last 2 years, when some of the fisherman get talking about braid to mono, i give them a demo and they love it.
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Was digging through my tackle box and found some drop shot weights. They look like they will work well. The Alberto uses 6 turns down, then another 8 turns back up towards the loop. This will take a little practice but I think it will work out.
Thanks, Chet…
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Correction -
The Alberto uses 8 turns down, then another 8 turns back up towards the loop.
For some unknown reason I can’t edit the post above.
Correct, DeadlyDan .... FYI you cannot edit after 30mins of submitting a post.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyDan
I’ve never tied the Alberto using 4lb test.
( won’t work/ isn’t needed where I fish)
But I did find something that works for me to help tie the Alberto- Try this trick -
I temporarily pinch a small lead shot to the end of the line to spin it and get the 8 wraps up and 8 back down.
The tension from the split shot makes it easier and faster.
Try it it may work on the small line.
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Originally Posted by DeadlyDan
Hello Dan
that could work, not sure how long it is, but give it a try. after you use this tool, the knot is tied so fast, in the wind or no wind, i gave this tool to quite a few Bass guys, some said it won't hold a heavy fish, but after a few months i saw a few of those Bass guys and said they really like the knot concept, fast and it works, one guy was having a problem, he showed me what he was doing, i stopped him and said the mistake is he was putting the tool on the mono, DON'T WORK, tool must be on the braid, then he tried it and he was happy. LOL he wanted to give me a hug, i said no hugging today, LOL. Roland Martin is going to be doing a seminar here next week, i was wondering what a pro of his caliber would think if I showed him, might laugh ect, but naw i will go fishing.
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