I have to modify the telescoping rod because ... I can ...

This is a write up (continued from a previous thread) of my podunkideas modification of a telescoping pole similar to the Little Mighty telescoping rod topic of Chuck’s post here :
https://www.crappie.com/crappie/main...little-mighty/

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Every video and article I could find about these telescoping rods were explaining how to use a certain length of line - tied directly to the Lillian thread tip of the telescoping rod (like tying a string to a cane pole) ...

My intended desire was to find a way to store extra line with this rod type and not have to carry several small spools of different line lengths for different depths of water ...

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Challenge # 1 ...
Each change of water depth will require untying that length of line from the Lillian thread tip, spooling that length of line onto a separate line keeper, unspooling another length of line from its separate line keeper, tying the new length of line to the Lillian thread tip ... uh ... that is inconvenient. Time for some podunkideas ... and figure out a way to have more line on this telescoping rod - which can be adjusted for the certain depth of water being fished ...

Option 1 - store all extra line on the outside of the rod = not feasible - because the rod bends so much under load and there are no guide eyes to keep the line along the rod ...

Option 2 - store extra line on the inside of the rod = oops, roadblock - - the tip end section is solid, not hollow ... but ... the second section is hollow :
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Challenge #2 ... side pressure (setting the hook on a fish) of the line coming out the end of this hollow section might cause line damage = I need a bushing ...

Option 1 - a bushing on the inside of this hollow section this small is difficult to find ...
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Option 2 - a bushing on the outside of this hollow section has many scenarios (thanks M R DUX) ...
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Challenge #4 ... this bushing scenario is too big :
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Challenge #5 ... how to affix this bushing idea to the smaller hollow rod tip section = shrink tubing ...
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Ok now I have satisfied all my challenges at the rod tip. Now I have to address the challenges where the line (now inside the rod) comes out the rod butt end) ...

Luckily these telescoping rod types have a screw on butt cap for replacing tip sections ...
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And also luckily my specific rod has a center hole for that split ring you see above ...
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Challenge #6 ... what kind of mechanism or scenario for holding the extra line needed (for adjusting line length from rod tip to bait) ... ??

I found this video ... please watch it ...
https://youtu.be/Pw5cp1ARBio

So I tried an similar idea version noted in the video above for holding the extra line on the outside of the rod :
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This idea works - but it creates a couple of inconvenient and unsatisfactory results :

Unsatisfactory Result 1. The extra line is outside the rod and it can get caught on anything - clothes, rod holders, chair parts, fishing partner, etc ...

Unsatisfactory Result 2. Collapsing the sections for storage - along with hand wrapping the loops around the plastic line keepers - at the same time - its just not convenient yet - but I am getting closer ...

Insert obvious light bulb here : I need a reel to hold this extra line ... but not some big honking reel that holds 100s of yards of line ... something small and compact that will hold maybe 40-50 yards of line ... plenty for breaking off a few times and not have to completely re-string my idea of extra line on this telescoping rod ...

I found these :
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Challenge #7 ... attaching these reels to the rod butt to capture the extra line as is plays out the rod butt cap when needed ...

My method is simply glueing the reels to the very end of the rod butt and then tying the reel flanges down like one would tie on a replacement guide eye onto a rod ...
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Challenge #8 ... how to protect the line coming out the rod butt cap from damage when (inevitably) resting the rod on the rod butt ... a modified rubber bumper glued to the rod butt cap ...
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So now all the challenges have been addressed in my mind for allowing extra line on this telescoping rod = and not actually being more inconvenient than just carrying several small spools of different lengths of line and having to replace the line every time of fishing a different depth of water ...
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Does it work ...?? ... time for a driveway test ... (I am not sure why the video did not embed - but the link works ... please click the video link and watch) ...
https://youtube.com/shorts/X4xv-_tD25E?feature=share

Added benefit - (getting rod ready for storage) ... ::

The original design of a fixed length of line tied to the Lillian thread at the rod tip requires collapsing all the sections, untying the line from the Lillian, wrapping the line around the separate line holder spool ...

My podunkideas design is as simple as holding the rod vertical, reeling line in until the bait contacts the tip bushing - and reel the telescoping sections back into the rod (bait and all) inside the collapsed rod with no extra line to deal with ...

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It is a good idea to watch Ronnie Capps video with the Little Mighty rod ... because he gives many tips about using this type of rod crappie fishing - which is so flimsy that lifting a fish is out of the question ...
http://<a href="https://youtu.be/JEW... - YouTube</a>

Steve Coleman also has a video of the Little Mighty rod ...
http://<a href="https://youtu.be/vS_... - YouTube</a>

Rickie

Very impressed as usual buddy!!


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Very nice modifications done! Looks to me as superior for many reasons. Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to on the water test. :highfive

That dog will hunt. Great looking mods

That is some serious fishengeering :yikes

How long is this rod ? and what style of fishing will you be doing with it ?


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Great job Cuzzin Ricky.

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Originally Posted by GreenLine

How long is this rod ? and what style of fishing will you be doing with it ?

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This specific Goture rod model is 7.2M or 23.6ft ...

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Eliminating the solid tip section for this modification shortened the rod to a tad over 20ft ...

The rod is way too flimsy for any other method than single polin (most likely with LiveScope) ...

Rickie

WOW!!

Perfect timing.:HandsClapping


Rickie, thanks ever so much for sharing your podunkideas engineering solutions with us.

Ordered a pair @ of the Goture 18' and 24' rods awhile back and they have been sitting in the garage as I researched the web for rigging styles/solutions.

Like yourself I felt there had to be a better rigging solution but had put the project on the back burner.


Ordered some reels from Grizzly this morning and started to cannibalize some ESB bobbers for the guides.

Ironically I just received an ESB float order and will need to order a few more replacements.

Leroy at ESB will be happy.Lol



A couple of questions if I may ask.

What was the weight used in your video?

Which rubber bumper did you use and modify on the end cap?

What lb test do you intend to run on these rigs?

Great job. :ThumbsUp

Thanks again

ps..The R&C vid links are not working.

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Originally Posted by MikeF

WOW!!

Perfect timing.:HandsClapping


Rickie, thanks ever so much for sharing your podunkideas engineering solutions with us.

Ordered a pair @ of the Goture 18' and 24' rods awhile back and they have been sitting in the garage as I researched the web for rigging styles/solutions.

Like yourself I felt there had to be a better rigging solution but had put the project on the back burner.


Ordered some reels from Grizzly this morning and started to cannibalize some ESB bobbers for the guides.

Ironically I just received an ESB float order and will need to order a few more replacements.

Leroy at ESB will be happy.Lol



A couple of questions if I may ask.

What was the weight used in your video?

Which rubber bumper did you use and modify on the end cap?

What lb test do you intend to run on these rigs?

Great job. :ThumbsUp

Thanks again

ps..The R&C vid links are not working.

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I was using 3 of my Snake n da brush® at 3oz each = 9oz

I couldn’t really guess a way to figure the weight of a fish dragged across the surface of the water to me ...

I was more interested in how many sections I had to collapse to get the weights back to me ... collapse 2 sections with 10ft of line out — collapse 3 sections with 6ft of line out ...

This was important to me because Ronnie Capps video indicated he was using approximately 7.5ft of line tied directly to the Lillian tip and he collapsed 4-5 sections to get the fish to him ... the difference being Capps length of line (from rod tip to fish) does not change during collapsing rod sections ... my Setup (being the line leads all the way to the butt of the rod) the line actually gets longer (from rod tip to fish) during collapsing rod sections ...

The rubber bumper glued to the rod butt cap was just a junk piece of rubber fabbed into that V shape seen in the pic ...

My 1st riggin will be using 5lb Power Pro high vis yellow braid with a 2-3ft flouro leader ... this may change depending on how it fishes or any unforeseen issues arising ...

Rickie

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Originally Posted by MikeF

ps..The R&C vid links are not working.

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Both videos in my OP work on my iPhone ...

I’m not sure about viewing the videos from some other device ...

If someone cannot see my specific video just type “rnvinc” into the search at YouTube ...

Rickie

Rickie

Thanks for the reply and info.

These rods and this type of fishing presentation will certainly be a new challenge this season.


I think I found the Colman vid you referred to but have not searched for the Capps vid yet.

Looking forward to a report how the new system works for you.

The ice is just now leaving our lakes up here so it will be awhile before I can test.

Thanks again

OP , from my experience the past year using braid , you will end up going to heavier line. The small stuff is insane when you get a tangle.
Currently I’m using 50 lb test tied to a 4 ft mono leader. ( using standard 12 and 14 ft jig poles tho )
Keep us updated on your progress.
I could probably use something similar to your custom set up during the spawn.


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Here is the Capps video ...:

https://youtu.be/JEWtdoY7gXM

Here is the Coleman video ... :

https://youtu.be/vS_oup_VzLs

Rickie

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Originally Posted by rnvinc

So now all the challenges have been addressed in my mind for allowing extra line on this telescoping rod = and not actually being more inconvenient than just carrying several small spools of different lengths of line and having to replace the line every time of fishing a different depth of water ...
Attachment 421241

Does it work ...?? ... time for a driveway test ... (I am not sure why the video did not embed - but the link works ... please click the video link and watch) ...
https://youtube.com/shorts/X4xv-_tD25E?feature=share


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BnM used to sell a pole that looked and worked EXACTLY like this: telescopic, line running through the pole, small fly reel attached at bottom. (I know because I bought one.)

That was at least 25 years ago, though. It obviously never caught on. Maybe it’s time has come.