The Debate's Over; 20 It Is!

Well just got the paper and all that is left is for the Ky. legislature to vote & they always follow the recomendations of the KDWR. So com'n march 1, 2008 the new limit on Ky & Barkley Lakes will be 20 fish. You just remember what Ol'Wishers told ya. In 10/15 years they'll be look'n at a 10 to 15 fish limit. This limit isn't gonna do a darn thing for the population.

I have no problem with the 20 fish limit. My problem is the KDWR's lack of vision! Their inability to address the problem NOT THE DARN SYMPTOM! :mad: All the low population is is a symptom of poor fishery management! :mad:

you got that right

Some of you need to go to the Miss board they just changed there limit to 12 inch 20 fish limit they are all glad if it helps the fishing.I have tournament fished all over i have seen Granada go down fast in the last few years, i have also fished alot in Ill and Ind if they come to Ky lake and catch 20 fish it is alot better than getting 50 in those states.I dont think people will stop coming to this lake because of the 20 fish limit.I do think they need to enforce what they make it ,but then we will all grip about the cost of fishing licensens if they get more water patrol.I know Paul Rister pretty good he is FW biologist he is doing the all he can to help crappie but he cant make everbody happy. just my2cents.

I stopped going to Weiss Lake in Alabama because the guides imposed a 20 fish limit and now I will limit my trips to KY Lake. It is just way to far away from where I live to go catch 20 fish. Just my thoughts. I am cheap and have to watch every penny I spend. If gas was back to 1.50 per gallon it may not be as big of a deal but with the way gas is Rough River just sounds a little more financially smart for me.

I don't know personally what the effect will be.....I'm like whiskers, seems like their putting a band-aid on an open wound. I'm sure it will help, but they need to address the other issues as well. Why don't we have any more quail?

Thats Because They Like To Have Every Dollar We Give Them And Not Put It Back In Our Fishing Lakes Thats The Way With Kdwr Any Thing To Make A Dollar Ther Is Alot Of Stocking That Needs To Be Done To These Lakes Quit Trying To Make All Of Our Small Lakes Out Of Trophy Bass Lakes. Ther Hurting The Panfishing

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Originally Posted by badbrad

I don't know personally what the effect will be.....I'm like whiskers, seems like their putting a band-aid on an open wound. I'm sure it will help, but they need to address the other issues as well. Why don't we have any more quail?

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Good point! Like I said in an earlier post. How many times do you go out & catch over 20 fish anyway? Answer; very darn few times. How many times do you go out & take a limit of Quail? Answer; darn near never! How many other people do you know that go out and consistantly catch & keep 30 fish? Answer; NONE... consistantly! That's why I say that the new limit is not going to help! The limit has already been imposed on us due to lack of fish! I have had a lot of those 15 keeper days. I know a lot of folks that struggle to catch 10 good keepers a day.

Crappie are a big part of the local economy here on the north end of Ky. Lake and nothing is being done other than new limits! The people that championed this NEW limit lacked vision. I can remember the days of 100+ out of these lakes and 90% of them were White Crappie. The tables have turned and the Black Crappie have taken over but they don't reproduce at the rate that Whites do.

The population needs help but a 20 fish limit is not going to have a noticable impact. The fishing pressure is NOT the only factor that is impacting the population! But that is the only one being addressed!

If some supplimental stocking and water management practices are not implimented soon here's what our grand children are gonna be saying 20 years from now. "Boy I can remember grandpa telling stories of coming to the lake and catching 10 maybe 15 nice crappie in the good ol'days!" Then their grand kids are gonna be saying "Look, Look!" "I think it's a crappie!" "I've never seen one alive!" "I can remember grandpa talking about when you could come out here and catch 4 or 5 a day when you really got on'um!" "I hear they're good eat'n!"

Look back at history if you think the 20 fish limit will work. It used to be no limit. Then it was 60 and the population still decreased. Then it was 30. Still down. Then it was 30 with 10" size limit. Still go'n down! Now 20! For God sakes stop the darn bleeding or atleast put some blood back! Heck Energy, Honkers, and Hemitite lakes are full of small stunted crappie! Mostly stunted from over population! Use those lakes for brude ponds and transfer the dinks to the main Lakes so they can grow. It can't hurt. Every time I go to Energy I catch 100's of dinks. Moving some fish will help all of them. The KDFW wouldn't have to spend a dime. Just let some of us locals move them. I know a bunch of guys that would participate.

If you read this you may get the idea that I'm opposed to the new limit. I AM NOT! I think 20 a day is plenty. I am all for it! My argument is that it isn't the solution, and if you think it is, you are fool'n yourself!

I agree with Wisker's that most folk don't catch limits consistantly, and therefore it won't have much affect on the population. Here in Ohio, there are NO quantity limits and only a handful of lakes have a 9" size limit and thats not good either.
To me it seems obvious that the real problem is overharvest. Todays fishermen have all sorts of equipment to make us more succesfull, electronics, GPS, better rods and lines ect. More people have better boats and motors to handle the bigger lakes and better clothes to help endure the elements, All this has puts more pressure on the fish.

It's them Humminbird sideveiw!!! Caused it all!!!!!:D :D :D :D


Rowdy

Do you know which model?

I personally feel that it's a huge conspiracy, and if we type in really brightly colored large point font on this board the kdfw will hear us!

That was funny!!!!!

I gotta say I agree with Whiskers (even though you cursed my trip in March with cold snap!:mad: ) I drove 6 hours and will do so again. I would love to be able to get into 20 a day on a 4 day trip!!! 10 a day would be great. To me, it's not about the number you take home, it's about the experience. When the fish are gone, there will be nothing left to experience!!!

The Humminbird 997c SI Combo.

It not only locates 'em, it lures them over to your boat, hypnotizes them and makes them swim to the surface around your boat so's you can stick a tube jig in their mouth and snatch'em up, nice and legal like. Then when it's electric eye (which is placed in the live well) notes twenty different fish, (by the distinct pattern of scales, which are as individualized as DNA to a human), it turns off the luring beam and the remaining fish become unhypnotized and return to their normal patterns of ignoring any offering you may present to them.

The Humminbird 997c SI Combo also recognizes the different footfalls of each individual on board and resets the electric eye in the livewell to accommodate every anglers limit. It also records the fingerprints of each individual so should one person try to put more than their one legal limit in the live well, it will immediately regurgitate said fish from the livewell with enough force to send it well overboard thusly safeguarding the laws of limits imposed by the sanctioning bodies of government that safeguard our fish and wildlife.

And now you know which model!

I sure could have used it back in April during that cold snap...maybe next year

I hate the new limits, because TN who does absolutey nothing to help crappie fisherman, will follow KY.
Crappie fishing has changed over the last 20 years. When I was a teenager wew used to go wading and catch fish in May in the bushes. Now the fish are spawing a month or so earlier, beacuse of the warmer weather. Also there are no bushes anymore and besides that, the water is not up to summer pool when the fish are spawing. the spawn is over by the time the water gets up. 7 or 8 years ago, if my partner and I caught 20 fish between us we had a decent day and that was from daylight until dark. We began to put out matts in different areas, different depths, etc. Today if we do not catch 30 in a 1/2 day it is a bad day. From Oct thru the end of April in 04-05 we brought home over 1100 crappie. 05-06 same time frame over 4,100 brought home, and 06-07 over 2700. We do not catch fish in less than 4 ft of water. You get out of fishing what you put in it, just like any thing else.
I have been wondering what the guides are thinking. They can still take people out, charge the same amount and spend less time on the water catching 20 instead of 30. That usually means two different clients a day.
Ask a guide and see what the have averaged over the last few years. i bet it is over 25 a day, easy.