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With the push to move from internal combustion engines to cleaner options fishing will forever be changed. It storage batteries become the fuel tanks of future boats. The 60 plus mph boats and wake boats just to name a few will be a thing of the past.
I think marine will be one of the last sectors to switch, but it'll be very interesting to see. Battery tech needs to come a long way before we see anything feasible. Right now gasoline has 5 times more energy per pound than the best lithium battery, even when efficiency is considered.Quote:
Originally Posted by DockShootinJack
The ocean is somewhere that you definitely don't want to be stranded with dead batteries.
Fishing is already forever changed by the advanced electronics available now and in the future.
Long live internal combustion!
USA FLAG
That will take a lot of generations of battery technology to get to that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atimm693
Very true. The advancements are well beyond what I have ever expectedQuote:
Originally Posted by stormcloud
Amen. Already seeing battery powered zeroturns. I would have to cut grass for 3 afternoons to get it all cutQuote:
Originally Posted by deathb4disco
I think wake boats ought to be outlawed. I do not mind regular ski boats or jet skis as nearly bad as them.
I don't know, Jack .... we're already seeing EV's capable of 0-60mph in <3sec's (Tesla) ... but then again, their battery weighs 1200lbs. And there are already "Electric Boat Motors" on the market, right now, one equal to a 150hp gas motor.
But, I take your point. And I don't think I'll be around to see the changeover, IF it ever occurs. :dono
They have some amazing technology to shape a wave anyway that the rider wants it. It takes a lot of power to push those boats with the ballast tanks filled and the wave former pulling the back of the boat down. I believe there are a lot of inconsiderate people or people that just don't know any better running those boats.Quote:
Originally Posted by tnduxcaller
The Tesla is a very impressive vehicle. I have watched some of the electric outboard motors. They are impressive as well. Most are running lithium batteries which helps with the power to weight ratio. I can see the point may be reached for lake and river fishing. Off shore fishing would pose an even bigger challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrappiePappy
We’ll all be in a flex paste boats with a tiller style trolling motor...:banghead
Had a little aluminum lake rigged up with a battery and a trolling motor. Worked great in those no gas engine golf course lakes. It was great for its purpose. A good head wind would slow it down to a crawlQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckeyeCrappie
No doubt a ways off. That said, new chemistry is always being worked on. I fly electric RC and lithium was the game changer to make it feasible. You can’t believe some of the stuff flying with it. The new generation will be even lighter and more powerful.
Bob
if anglers and recreational boaters in numbers had the money and mindset to go all "green" there would be FAST electric boats all over the place in numbers that would defy the imagination OVERNIGHT !
technology moves as fast as the flow of dollars it needs to feed it , make no mistake they for sure could have fast electric boats available quickly if the market demanded it :popcorn
I dunno, in this case, not sure about that. I don't think it's the motors so much. Or demand. It's all about the battery. Technology can move fast but it can move only so fast as creativity and innovation provides, coupled to the price. Even if they can produce a battery with good numbers, the main number is price. Innovation allows price to come down. One day, we might wake up to a dramatic announcement regarding a new finding and acceptance can happen pretty rapidly. As for the battery electric vehicle, there is much chatter that acceptance will happen far, far sooner than most think. And that it will happen because we won't have any choice due to it being so cheap compared to ICE. That's the general idea bouncing around. Who knows, time will tell!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ketchn
I will say this. Wall Street and the powers that be are throwing all their money at renewables, not the oil biz. This is happening on a huge scale. Globally. If, like most things, it's 'follow the money,' then the money says renewables are where we are headed. Right or wrong, we live in interesting times. Things change fast these days!
it is likely the battery at this point and the cost to produce it , there is likely technology already in place that could accomplish the task at hand that don't fit the consumer's wallet .
not sure on it ,but I suspect it to be so , look at watch batteries and the minute size , and some of the rechargeable tiny things they put in cameras ,bet it is closer than one thinks on the horizon .
the offset might even be something in the motor weights and the fact the electric 200 horse weighs diddly and the weight savings gets passed on to the battery ? :popcorn
it's all about the market and the folks buying not the illogical fools who are trying to force ridiculous change on us because of a few eco whackjobs who they are listening to. IF there was a great battery that could work all the time, we would use it for all transportation but we are many years from that. All the proposals are pipe dreams just like the insane leftist lunatics running california that cause all those rolling blackouts because they stubborn and shut down many very effecient environmentally friendly NG electric plants. same lunatics are in DC now for a short time but will be ousted soon and reality will set in once again.
IF there was a workable dependable affordable battery would have no problem switching over from ICE. UNTIL that day we will use what works effeciently. here's the other rub. IF all folks switched to electric cars now the grid couldn't support the load to charge them continually. hilarious they are but without any common sense or understanding of how things actually work.
I have several co workers in the RC world. There are some large aircrafts flying on lipoQuote:
Originally Posted by BobC
so if I hit the water toooo much in my all new bad boy electric boat we will have yet another nuclear winter in Texas because Ketchn and his buds go ketchn in them new electric boats way to often ?
Just when I thunk it was tough enough to find reasons to ketch fish here comes the new rolling blackout regulations on the new electric boats and the no fish days that are needed to keep the heat and ac on ?....:dono
:Rofl
I was not as much talking about speed as I was talking range. The Stratos I have has a 150hp 2 stroke and a 30 gallon tank. It is a 65mph boat. A range of about 25 mile to dead empty. The 17.5 tracker aluminum with a 60hp 4stroke and a 13 gsllon tank. Will get real close to 60 miles on a tank of fuel. It is a 35 mph boat. I am happy with the range and the fuel savings. Over twice as far on less than half the fuel. The motor technology is there. There is not the range in the battery. I have now doubt an electric boat could produce incredible speeds. The amount of torgue that can be produced with the right prop would make one snappy drag boat
[QUOTE=Ketchn;4150502]so if I hit the water toooo much in my all new bad boy electric boat we will have yet another nuclear winter in Texas because Ketchn and his buds go ketchn in them new electric boats way to often ?
Just when I thunk it was tough enough to find reasons to ketch fish here comes the new rolling blackout regulations on the new electric boats and the no fish days that are needed to keep the heat and ac on ?....:dono
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The United States Navy is using the old tech to power those huge carriers and subs. Steam has been powering things around for a long time yet those massive ships and subs using steam turbines to power. The only thing that has changed is the what they use to heat the water. I am sure the turbine efficiency has gotten better. Yet it's still steam powered. Back to the future my have had it right. I may one day have a Mr. Fussion on my outboard
From my cold,dead hands!Quote:
Originally Posted by DockShootinJack
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There are many issues these days that I have the same feelings aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by M R Dux
When they develop the personal sized nuclear reactor to produce the electricity all will be fine.
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It takes a huge amount of energy to keep a decent size boat on plane,way more then the automobiles. To have the range and power with today's technology with even the best batteries the weight of the batteries would be prohibitive.
Back off the throttle and you fall off of plane quickly. Very little coasting in a boatQuote:
Originally Posted by Central Minn
Maybe I can get Scotty to teleport:rolleyes: me out in the lake. :Rofl
Newer 2 stroke might be the answer. Ford is trying one out in the f150. It is the opposing cylinder design. 50% fuel mile increase with current model. Freight trucks trying it out too. Much cheaper to build than 4 stroke and not near the moving parts.
Now that's funny. The tool and die shop was cnc milling some hubs today. The had a long shank end mill in it doing some deep blind plunge milling. Every time it would peck it chattered enough to resonate through the machine and sound like an alarm going off. Sounded like the old Star trek engine room alarm. Some of the brass heard it and went running in there. The machinist hollered I'm given her all she's got in a Scot accent. They didn't think it was funny at all. Boy I sure did. 2 Star Trek references in one dayQuote:
Originally Posted by scrat
I have read some on the opposing piston diesel engine. It shows some impressive numbers for sure. I will have to read up on the gasoline engineQuote:
Originally Posted by Cane Pole
Last year I was looking at battery powered outboards. The cost of gas determines a lot of things and you can ballast a boat better with batteries. Weight used to be a concern, but in time, even deep cells will get smaller and smaller. Look at the battery in your phone, years ago, you had a monster battery running a digital readout and then a mini 1" screen. I'm not saying I want to charge my boat, but torque and power is much higher and more efficient coming out of an electric motor.
There is no sound or smell that will ever replace an old time 2 cycle oil burner.
I would say that the phone electronics because a lot more efficient. More cell towers also meant less wattage to send and receive information. I don't know how much more efficiency can be gotten out of an electric motor at present technology.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRo0sTer
Premix by far. Oil injection just doesn't smell the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by Cane Pole
The efficiency is there in motors, drives and VFDs, but I don't know how long batteries will take to catch up. The new Hummer EV has a boat load of torque and HP. It gets 100 miles of travel on just 10 mins of charging. At full charge it can get 300 miles. How many gallons of gas would you have to carry to get 100-300 miles in a boat and have massive HP & Torque? I'm not pushing for electric boat motors, but if you can plug it in over night and go 300 miles on that charge. Wow!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DockShootinJack
11500 ft lbs of torque
1000 HP
Of course this in a big truck. Brushless motors have a load of potential. Batteries will be the choke point.
For me at least 35 mph would be faster than id want to go in a 17’ aluminum boat if it wasent flat calm water.Quote:
Originally Posted by DockShootinJack
At 20 mph it might get twice the milage and would take all of maybe 5 minits longer to get to the place we want to go.
This whole horsepower thing as it relates to outboard powered boats is way over the top in my opinion.
Also a rolling load requiring higher energy to start it off but once to speed power can be decreased to maintain speed. A lot more resistance to a boat hull, once at a give speed any reduction in power and the boat will slow down.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRo0sTer
I fall back off plane around 18mph. I usually cruise between 20 and 25 mph. Fuel consumption is not bad. It is so much better than the boat it replacedQuote:
Originally Posted by yobuck