Does anyone use these for ultralight fishing? Ive been researching these reels and rods. Wondering if they would work with a float/fly rig. 1/32 jig with 1.5 float. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks
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Does anyone use these for ultralight fishing? Ive been researching these reels and rods. Wondering if they would work with a float/fly rig. 1/32 jig with 1.5 float. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks
I know of two JDM baitcasters designed for "Area" trout fishing (there may be others). One is a Daiwa, new this year, which I have ordered but have not yet received, and the other is a Rodio-craft, which I decided not to order because the blank is bright yellow (I may order it anyway, though). The Daiwa is a 6' two piece rod designed for 2 - 5 lb line and 1.5 - 5 gram lures roughly (1/20 - 3/16 oz). Rodio-craft does not list recommended line and lure weights but I suspect they would be about the same as the Daiwa rod. I have not heard anyone in the US even mention Rodio-craft rods, but they have a range of spinning rods designed for Area trout fishing that range up to roughly $750 - so they're not junk. The Rodio-craft baitcaster is one of their less expensive rods (no cork and no wood) and is 5'2", so I would probably use for UL stream fishing instead.
Your jig and float would be right at the lower end of the recommended range (and also right at the lower end of what people can reasonably cast with a BFS reel). I have not used a float/fly rig, so I don't know if that adds any difficulty.
If you are already an expert with a baitcaster, you shouldn't have a problem. If you've always used only a spinning rod, be prepared for some frustration, although you may eventually learn to love it.
Check out "raWr Fishing" on YouTube. He's super into BFS and has a lot of good videos on rods and reels. He's also a member here so hopefully he'll chime in.
I seen the baitcasters on the finesse fishing site and was concerning about putting a rig together but with not knowing if it will work kinda makes me a little nervous. I hate to spend the money and be disappointed. I’m a bass fisherman from the pass so baitcaster reels are no problem.
Chris thanks for the update and I will be looking for the rod. In
Aruther I will check out the videos.
If you havent seen this guy and if you want to see what a Master can do with BFS gear check this guy out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bayou Boy
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I'm no pro, but to me there is a huge difference between casting a 1/16 oz jighead with plastic (raWr Fishing) and a 1/32 oz hair jig (OP)! For me, it is the difference between A) piece of cake and b) no distance and no accuracy. However, I was using a stream rod. That is why in my first reply I mentioned Area rods, which are designed for lighter lures and lighter lines.
The heavy sinking minnows that Angler Saito casts is a whole 'nother world (the difference between a 1 gram jig and a 1/8 oz jig).
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Originally Posted by Chris Stewart
Correct me if I am wrong but I am of the mind that trying to use BFS with 1/32 and 1/16 is just not practical....for distance or accuracy.
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that looks like about a 1 maybe 1.5" plug. have no idea what it would weight but yeah that guy is a baitcasting ninja. i could've done without the techno music lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alphahawk
Casting 1/16 oz on any decent BFS rig is pretty easy for both accuracy and distance. Going below that gets more difficult but can be done. I modified a $39 Abu Garcia Black Max for BFS and can cast 1/32 stuff no problem. Total cost of the conversion can be done for less than $40. I've seen guys casting 1/64 oz on some higher end BFS set ups.
I've also done some mods on an old Abu 2500C (reel used in the Angler Saito video) and have been able to throw as light as 1/8 lures. I have one more mods to make which should increase distance and accuracy. Once again, I did these mods as a learning experience and to test the limits of the reel. In the process, I've become better at at using a baitcaster. Throwing the light stuff really makes you concentrate on technique.
In my experience, as a practical matter, unless you need to make super accurate casts (and have the ability to do so), using a BFS set up to throw these tiny lures yields little or no advantage over a spinning set up. Some guys are pretty deadly accurate with a spinning set up. I did my conversion mostly for fun and to see what could be accomplished on the cheap. YMMV.
My BFS details:
https://www.crappie.com/crappie/all-...bfs-gills-etc/
I do the majority of my fishing with bait casting rod's and reels. Closest I have come to cast very light jigs is 1/4 oz. Most my setup's will do that but get down below than and bet's are off. I have an ABU 2500, 1/4oz best I can do. Also have a Daiwi RG on a Celilo Kokannee pro rod rated for 2-8# line but 1/4oz is about the best I can do with it also. Maybe it's a mind thing? When I fish for crappie all I ever use is spinning rods and reels. Ultra light Ocuma is my favorite set up. I think it might be I need small jigs here. Biggest crappie I've caught out here was 13" and normally they only go about 8". I guess small is better for small. Now if we had theos bigger fish I see on the internet, I'd go bigger. Second crappie I ever caught I don't recall the size but I was bass fishing using a 1/4oz plastic jig. Seem's to me heavier jig's require bigger fish.
The casting dynamics of a float 'n fly might be tricky with a BFS casting reel - the long leader between fly and float may make it tricky to properly load the rod unless the float is quite heavy. With too light a float, the rig may bolo and slow down and cause an overwind. A well-shotted antenna float would provide adequate casting weight and be sensitive enough to show bites.
Thank all of you for the input. After reading this I think I may just stick with a spinning reel set up but it is very interesting to read about and watch the you tube on how other fisherman set up their equipment and read about all the tricks to tune your reels.
You make the right decision. The way you want to fish, 1/32oz hair jig, float and fly, nothing beat good old spinning. To me, Alphahawk showed the perfect way of “how to use BFS”, Extreme casting, super accuracy, and rapid cast. The weight is not the only thing concerned in Baitfinesse System.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bayou Boy
Yes the are some benefits using BFS, but it might not worth the headache and the money invested. Don’t ask me why I know, but ask 5 of my BFS setups sitting in the garage just for show. My rigs can cast down to 1/24oz jig head with plastic and I also capable of casting 1/8oz weighted bobbers with 4’ leader but I preferred to use spinning these days.
Would you mind detailing the BFS setups you have and how they preform.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Bass
Thanks!
Daiwa pixy airy red with Rays spoolQuote:
Originally Posted by Bert
Daiwa alphas air (sold)
Daiwa alphas 103 with Rays spool
Abu ALX with AMO spool
Shimano curado 70 with Rays Spool
Daiwa SV103 with Rays spool
Shimano Scorpion XT1000 with Yumeya spool.
Rod
Tsurinoya PROFLEX II solid tip (broken)
Tsurinoya Dexterity 72 solid tip
Kuying Teton 632 UL Sold
Trout Killer UL and L 63 broken
Majorcraft speedstyle UL/BFS 64
Majorcraft Go emotion L/BF 65
Majorcraft Benkei L/BF 67
Daiwa Spinmatic UL 7
some of the setup will be used for bass not for the lightest lure in the world but for my Finesse fishing which will enchant my usual technique to cast further and gain more control. Some I use for crappie every once a while just for fun and SHOW OFF that Im in the hype. It is not a waste for me since those reels are my collection anyway.
How thick is that braid you have on your finesse baitcasters? PE number or lbs test?
Just Bass, thanks for the reply. Great collection you have assembled. What would be a good setup to cast 1/16 oz jigs for crappie with 4lb mono? There's all sorts of videos on Youtube and not sure what to start with, reels from $70 to $500. Not nearly as much info on the rods. Most look pretty stiff and seem to have a higher line rating (2-8 lb). Seems like the rods would need to be pretty flexable to handle lighter lures.
Me? Most of those are 8lb Sufix832 or 10lb Power Pro, twos that I use mostly for bass are 6lb copolymer line. It is essential to use shallow spool if you are plan to fish with super thin braid and don’t want to go spinning route. Regular baitcasters, you will have a hard time casting without backlash or line dig in.
Most of my rods are not super flex mostly stiff blank and fast tip since I’m mainly a bass guy. Most of my are BFS bass rod which is different for trout with moderate blank. For crappie, the one that is pretty popular among starter BFS is Kuying Teton UL and Light rated (trout rod). Anyway all my setups can handle 1/16oz jig with plastic no problem. If you are not gonna try to cast “trout magnet” or go below 1/16oz jig head, any shallow spool reel should work fine. You can start from Abu Promax and buy shallow spool for it, or you can buy any of those Chinese reels that seen often from those YouTube guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bert
Yep. I took an Abu Garcia Black Max, upgraded the bearings, and added a shallow spool. It will cast 1/32 oz jigs no problem. I have it on a cheap AliExpess Acehawk CU Double rod. The entire set up could be had for under $100 or so. Or just buy one of the Ali BFS reels like PW100 GH100, KR Phantom, etc.
What kind of line are you using on your setup?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fishfishwish
Started out with 4# Fireline Crystal braid. At present I'm using Diawa J Braid, 4x, 6 pound test. I only spool on about 100-120 feet of line. Where I fish, there's no need for more and less line means a lighter spool, the name of the game in BFS.
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I also have an Abu 2500C set up for BFS-ish work. It has 10# Diawa J-Braid, 8x on it. It can cast down to 1/16 of an ounce stuff pretty well. I've even tried 1/32 heads with a bit heavier plastic lure on and was successful for short casts, 30-40 feet. I have a lightweight spool I will try at some point, just to see what difference it makes.
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That ol boy ain't near as good at getting hung up as I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alphahawk
Noticed all of your rods are fairly long, does that help with casting. I just got a 5' 6" rod and it doesn't cast as well as expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Bass