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The Alberto knot is my favorite knot for this purpose. Very clean and passes thru the smallest of guides. Pic is this knot using 4# fireline and 6# fluorocarbon leader. The guide is a 3mm micro guide I build with often and this knot works great. Attachment 383151Attachment 383152
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Good knot. I use the double uni when my fingers will cooperate.
Good drawing of the knot, Tom. Like SR I’m not sure if my fingers will cooperate anymore, but it’s a real good knot. At this point I may be down to a triple surgeons. LOL
Bob
What is that covering the knot in this pic? Super Glue?Quote:
Originally Posted by z520tom
Good info. Thanks for sharing. I've always used the double uni knot without any issues whatsoever... but have been thinking about trying the Alberto knot.
In fact, I have about 14 crappie rods serviced and ready to re-spool for fall and winter crappie fishing... I'm going to try this knot braid to mono for a while.
Is that wax or superglue that I see coating the knot?? I usually use superglue... but that looks more like some type of wax-like glue or rubber cement.
There is no covering. It is as I tied it. Looks like it has a covering but I added nothing. May be some moisture because I always wet the line before I sinch it tight.Sent from my SM-G960U using Crappie.com Fishing mobile appQuote:
Originally Posted by Yankee Bill
Nowadays, I never let the line-to-leader knot pass through the guides. This has made my fishing much easier.
I have used the double uni many times also. Don't know for sure but I suspect the Alberto may have smaller diameter ever so slightly.Sent from my SM-G960U using Crappie.com Fishing mobile appQuote:
Originally Posted by Special K
It can be difficult to tie especially if a wind is blowing. I have some really old fingers too Bob.Sent from my SM-G960U using Crappie.com Fishing mobile appQuote:
Originally Posted by BobC
Yep, I think of the nice bunch of knots from my fly fishing days and the number is down to a few, but they’re all good ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by z520tom
I usually start with about 36" of fluorocarbon leader. I usually start casting with about 6" to 12" of line below my rod tip.Sent from my SM-G960U using Crappie.com Fishing mobile appQuote:
Originally Posted by s_v
I start with the same leader length and usually have 1-1.5 m below the rod tip when casting.Quote:
Originally Posted by z520tom
Yep,I only make my leaders 18 inches or less, I use the albright knot or loop to loop connection.Quote:
Originally Posted by s_v
The Albright and the Alberto knots are almost the same. The last step of placing the tag end through the mono loop is the only difference. I just measured the diameter of the alberto knot I tied above and it is 0.64mm. Easily pass through a 3mm micro guide.
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Great diagram, thank you. What is the advantage of running a heavier leader than your mainline?
Because 4# fireline in under rated. I am not sure what it's breaking strength is but it is higher than 4# in my opinion. That being said I also use 4# fluorocarbon for a leader quite often. Thanks for your comment.Sent from my SM-G960U using Crappie.com Fishing mobile appQuote:
Originally Posted by MCG1
I tied this knot this morning. Sure appreciate your posting this .
A good knot, thanks!
This works for regular fishing too.Tie one simple surgeon's loop in your braid, and one loop on your leader. The only problem is the leader loop doesn't go want to through the first guide too well.So they need to be about 18 inches or less.The beauty of this is you can make up a couple of looped leader ahead of time, and slip them on real
quick when they break while out on the water.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95oDmAbtZtE
Very good info. That is the only knot I use on leaders. Does very good on my 3mm micros on the Gloomis. We must build high quality rods the same way.
Regards!
2X on the Alberto knot
I'm also in the camp of keeping my leaders short enough to not have to cast my connecting knot through a guide.
While the Alberto knot, among others, is certainly a good choice for joining lines, any knot, regardless how small it may be, is still going to act as a tire hitting a speed bump to some extent when it makes contact with a guide while casting.
That's just been my experiance, others MMV.
Sorry, not trying to Jack this thread.
This may be a topic for an entirely new thread.
How many turns do you typically use for this knot?
Ive tried it on a few leader connections the last couple days and had great luck, its the smallest knot I’ve tried yet, I quite like it.
Until today, using the .15 PE braid I just got it, it is super fine diameter, I’m guessing .001- .0015.
I went up to 10 turns and this thin braid just slipped right out.
Using 4lb (.004 diameter) nylon mono as leader.
Knot works great with the polyester mono, .2 and .3 size PE braid, nanofil, and suffix 2lb nanobraid, just not my newest .15 PE braid.
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In the diagram on step three I take the tag end of the braid and go around and through the loop one extra time. I use 4 lb. Flouro and 5 lb. power pro( .01 mm or .004 In).. I find that the last wraps back up really matter on this setup also.
I’m thinking maybe a coating on the tiny line making it slicker. I have one line, much heavier, that won’t take an FG knot, I tried 3 times.
Thanks for posting the diagram. Will get my junk out and try it first hand tomorrow. The FG does well for my salt stuff but a double uni is all I’ve ever used for the smaller stuff. I’m not against learning something new.
Yankee Bill I can throw a 1/32oz jigfly (actual weight) with 4# fireline and a 4# fluorocarbon leader joined with this knot 45 ' to 50' measured distance on my driveway. I agree any knot will cause friction on contact with guides. My casting targets fishing is far less than the 45' I can cast it most of the time. I use the leader for gills and red ear. Fish straight braid when after crappie because they are not the least bit line shy where I fish. Thanks for your comment.Sent from my SM-G960U using Crappie.com Fishing mobile appQuote:
Originally Posted by Yankee Bill
I use 7 turns up and another 7 turns back to the loop. I wet the lines and slowly pull it together. When snugging it down be careful that it doesn't try roll over itself. After it's snugg I pull hard on each of the four sections and then trim two tag ends. Never tied something as small diameter as you have there.Sent from my SM-G960U using Crappie.com Fishing mobile appQuote:
Originally Posted by Yodie
Well good grief Charlie Brown.Quote:
Originally Posted by z520tom
I just now realized I’m supposed to wrap it back up!
I missed that in the diagram.
I’ll give that a try tomorrow... wonder how what I’ve been tying is holding at all then...