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Does anyone know of a video of someone catching BG on this rod?
I'm contemplating getting one to use primarily for casting 1/64 & 1/32 jigs for BG. I know the action is great for casting the jigs, but am a little concerned that it may be just a tad stiff for a dedicated BG rod.
I saw Alphahawk's excellent review of the rod, but haven't been able to find a video anywhere showing how much flex the rod has when catching average size BG.
Appreciate any info you may have?
Last I heard, the TSS is disc. from Leland. The tips were breaking very easily.
I just started looking at these rods so I may be totally wrong, but from what I can decipher, is that Leland discontinued the TSS name and either renamed it the TCB, or, created a new, very similar rod in conjuction with B N' M rods and still calling it TCB (as on B N' M's site). Still trying to figure this out actually as it's a bit confusing. But whatever the case, I think the rods may possibly use the same blank, if they are different rods at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by trypman1
I was told the two are totally different rods not made in the same plant . To me they do not feel the same . :twocents
They are made in two different factories....blank manufacturers are different. I find the rods virtually identical....in fighting a fish....rod weight is very few grams different. But that can vary by a few grams even on 500 dollar rods. One of the rods...and I do not remember which one...is 1/2 inch longer. Casting distance is exactly the same...I mean after doing many casts with each rod I am talking inches in casting difference. The guide train on the TSS rod is an American Tackle Air Guide Microwave. Supposed to increase casting distance but I have to tell you after owning several rods over the years with that system on it there is no added casting distance. They do greatly reduce line slap but that is about it as far as I am concerned. As to the breaking of the TSS rod tips.....yeah folks break them...not because the rod is bad...it is because folks trying to do things with a high graphite content rod that one should not be doing. I fully expect as more of the TCB rods get out there you will start hearing about the tips breaking on them too. The rod is a collaboration between Leland's Lures and B'n'M. The TSS rod is discontinued...for right now. It may or may not be back. I have no clue how many TCB rods have been sold. I don't have the numbers of TSS rods sold but it was a lot. In my opinion both rods are worth the money charged. I know I am fixin to get some more TCB rods to giveaway on my channel.
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Thanks for the input Eagle 1. So, are you saying that both the current Leland & B n' M TCB rods do not feel the same as Leland's original TSS rod, or, that the current Leland TCB and B N' M TCB rods feel different from one another? Sorry if my question appears a bit anal, but this issue with these rods has me pretty confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagle 1
(Sorry, was typing this as Alphahawk was replying above)!
Thank you Alphahawk, that certainly clears up my confusion, as well as gives me alot more info about the rods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alphahawk
I think some of my confusion may have come from some folks unknowingly still referring to the new TCB rods on Lelands site as their older TSS model.
Appreciate the info.
I have hands that do not fit the handle as well as I like . Most likely because the split grips are different to what I used in the past . The B/m rod seemed to have a little faster tip as best I remembered . I am not bashing either rod and I do not use two lb. line or profess to be an authority on ultra light set ups . Lots of choices out there for sure and under 100.00 both are good . :twocents
No did not think you were bashing the rods. That whole deal came about as Leland's Lures owner told me...they are not a rod company and B'n'M is. Which makes total sense for marketing. Of course I know nothing about the lure business....but have heard from 2 individuals that are in the lure business say...."Want to make a million dollars selling lures....spend 2 million dollars".....LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagle 1
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Here is a video from Crappie Hed on YouTube, of him fishing for Bluegills with the Leland's TSS. He starts to talk about the rod at the 7:00 mark.
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Thanks slowhand, great video. I enjoyed watching those guys cutting up at the end as much as I enjoyed watching the fishing. Looks like they had a blast, that's what it's all about right there!Quote:
Originally Posted by slowhand
I have a TCB rod, but it sits in the 2 hole behind my Major Craft Finetail. I have caught a couple of small bream on the rod and a 1 lb catfish. The catfish put up a fun fight and put a nice bend into the rod. I need to fish exclusively with it one day to give a better answer as it pertains to bluegill.
I have it paired with a Pflueger Purist 25 series and generally cast 1/32 jigs with a TM...and occasionally roadrunners and spinners.
I recently bought a TCB and have been using it for a couple of trips now. It is much softer and more flexible in the first 2' or so than my BPS Microlite in light action, both are 6 1/2' nominal length. I don't like the location of the reel seat; I find it too far up from the end and the butt bumps my forearm on the cast. I'm casting sitting down in a boat and casting one handed so that may contribute to it. I will get used it but I consider it a negative.
With that said, I do like the action and strength of the rod while landing a 'gill or crappie. I can feel every movement of the jig on the bottom or bumping weeds on the retrieve; I find it to be as sensitive or even a bit more so as my panfish series St. Croix. I like the rod and am considering another. It is a fun rod to catch a fish on, plain and simple. I'm replacing a few poles that are 35+ years old and technology and materials have changed for the better.
I'm an average guy when it comes to fishing, I don't have a big budget or years of experience with the "best" brand names. Good enough works for me in most areas of my life and this $65 rod certainly fits my needs. At some point, we have to bite the bullet and just get one and try it to see how it feels to US.
Good comments and feedback. I have the TSS and it fishes just as everyone says. I stream fish and I feel it is pretty sensitive, especially at that price point. I don’t find the butt of the rod hitting my arm when I cast, but I cast standing up and maybe if I were sitting it would be different. I recently used it for casting some smaller Rebel lures, and it did just fine. The reel is a Pflueger President 20 with 2lb Stren Crappie line. That combo balances just fine in my opinion, and all up weight is about 8.2 oz. Pretty darn good for the money. I have a spare TSS just in case, but wouldn’t be afraid to try the TCB. I’M careful getting fish out of the water, and so far so good with the tip.
Bob
Appreciate the additional guys, very helpful. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by jackie53
Thank you Randy and Leland Products..
Exactly the Rod I am needing to cast 1/64 oz jig head..on 2 lb test...Where normally fish a slip float..in 20 -30 Ft of water...
Thank you..
Ordered a second Thank you...
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You’re good to go! A brace of nice rods!
Just picked up a TCB rod and it's already my favorite rod. Can't imagine a better rod for $60. In many ways better than my Daiwa Presso 6-6.
Those have always been a great rod. Highly recommended from many members here. Congrats on the new rod.
Seconded.
The TCB is my "all rounder", and I'll almost always have it in the selection I take on my yak. It's the beefiest of the ULs in my stable, yet still sensitive enough to be fun. Mine is paired with a Legalis LT2000X-S and 4lb X-Braid.
I prefer a very thin and sensitive XUL for panfishing, but the TCB is a great compromise if I feel there could be larger fish in the mix. Plus it gets better casting distance than the shorter XULs...although that could also partially be due to the larger spool diameter on a size 2000 reel.
Anyways, excellent quality and great fun at the right price!
I happened to win a TCB rod here on Crappie.com a couple years back. Great rod. It always goes with me when I hit the water.
I have two of the originals and wouldn’t mind having the BnM version too…..lol. My favorite casting rod.
I have a TSS and have it paired with a Daiwa Regal 1000s and six pound Varivas braid. With all of my sul rods and ul rods, I use this one when I get into areas where the big folks live. I’ve caught LMB on it up to five lbs and with the micro wave guides and quality braid I have to make a few casts to open water to refresh myself to its casting abilities. It’ll cast a 1/16 a very long way. Even with the 1/32 I use for American and hickory Shad the casting is very good. Sensitivity is also good for when I drag a little BG bug along the bottom, I can feel everything. If I didn’t have too many rods now I would have another.
They are both good rods. The TCB is my backup rod. As Alpha said, don’t abuse it and mine is going strong after many years and thousands of fish.
Bob
I own a TCB rod . I was one of the unfortunate ones that had the tip break right off . IIRC , it broke when I pulled on the line after stringing it up , to check the bend in the rod . As I do with with all of my rods . I didn’t over stress , it was definitely a defect .
The tip was replaced under warranty without any issues . I purchased an extra tip at the time so I could have it shipped with the replacement.
I don’t fish it a lot . I find the handle too long for my liking .
I’m primarily a bank fisherman and don’t have the need for a rod to fit in a rod holder , I’m usually carrying only one rod in hand , a few others in my car .
I had thought of cutting a few inches off the handle and adding another butt cap .
I need to get mine out and fish it one day ,it’s been sitting too long.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. While I love the rod overall, that handle could stand to have a good 6-8" trimmed off. I wonder why they designed it with such a long handle in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by gillchaser999
My opinion on the handle length. I feel it’s all about balance. Mine balances perfect and while I find it a few inches too long I can’t bring myself to change the rod. Removing the butt of the rod any would tend to make it nose heavy. I could probably find a way to rebalance it but after I use it a while I adjust and it doesn’t bother me.
It’s already nose heavy unless you put a reel over six ounces on it .Quote:
Originally Posted by skeetbum
That’s why I never did anything to mine.
OK, that makes sense. So far I've been laboring under the "lighter is better" philosophy for reels, especially when matching to the super lightweight XUL rods. Pairing the heavier Legalis LT2000s-p (at 6.2oz., vs 5-5.5 for most of my others) on the TCB makes for a decent balance...despite the long handle.Quote:
Originally Posted by gillchaser999
With that said, I'm not sure how much difference 1-1.5oz would even make balance-wise? And I'm not motivated enough at the moment to cut line and switch out reels...
OK, that makes sense. So far I've been laboring under the "lighter is better" philosophy for reels, especially when matching to the super lightweight XUL rods. Pairing the heavier Legalis LT2000s-p (at 6.2oz., vs 5-5.5 for most of my others) on the TCB makes for a decent balance...despite the long handle.Quote:
Originally Posted by gillchaser999
With that said, I'm not sure how much difference 1-1.5oz would even make balance-wise? And I'm not motivated enough at the moment to cut line and switch out reels...
one way, in my opinion, to shorten the rod yet keep the balance would be to weigh the part you are cutting off, the add that much weight to the inside the rod right at the butt cap, secured in place with some epoxy. replace your butt cap in place...Just a suggestion. Hope you get it figured out for your piece of mind and enjoyment of a fine rod.Quote:
Originally Posted by INFrank
Actually, he would have to add MORE weight than what he cut off due to the leverage difference. Weight further out from the fulcrum has more effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesdean
Just use a heavier reel . Not all reels made today are super lightweights .Quote:
Originally Posted by MDCrappie
We’re talking about a sub $100 rod . A lot of nice reels available in the 6-7oz range .
I’ve read the longer butt end is to support the rod with the butt against the arm .
Some people hold a rod this way others don’t .
It’s a personal preference thing . I like short butts on rods , some like long ones .
I like short rods , under 6’ , others won’t fish with a rod under 6’ .
I agree using a heavier reel is the easiest, and also a good way to get a feel before permanent modification. I was just mentioning the physics so that someone didn't add the exact weight they took off, and then be disappointed after epoxying it in, and not balancing the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by gillchaser999
And while I don't like that long handle on my TCB rod, it did help the other day (braced against forearm) while fighting a snakehead I hooked on my roadrunner. I was able to get him to net, and he was the next evenings dinner. I know not a lot of you guys have snakeheads, but if you do know they are delicious.Attachment 503480
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