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Do you all have any thoughts as to the benefit of pulling baits and using your electronics versus pushing them? I know with the newer stuff (live scope, 360 and the like) you are able to see in front of the boat to an extent but do you see it on the screen soon enough to make a difference?
My first thoughts are that pulling would be better because you can see what you are about to drag a bait through on the screen before you actually do it. Or more in my case, before I hang a lure in it.
Even when Pushing .... your lures are still behind you, just maybe not as far as when you're Pulling them. In that regard, the electronics you use are still going to show you what "you" are passing over well before your lures pass over it. That's how it works for me & all I'm using is a Down Image unit.
Now, those that are Spider Rigging may well benefit from any "forward looking" technology, be it wide angle 2d, 360 scanning, or Livescope .... since the lures/bait are actually well in front of the angler & subject to "finding" the snags before they show up on narrow angle 2d, DI, or SI.
The biggest problem I see with Pulling is that with so much length of line out, when you do run across snaggy cover, in order to avoid it you'd have to make a large course correction & hold that course long enough for the lures to fall back into a straight line behind you so that it misses getting into that snaggy cover. So if your lures are say 75ft behind you and your depth finder shows a large tree down or big brushpile ... you'd have to veer off course & hold your new course for >75ft in order to avoid them. So what would you do if during that time you happen to have another piece of snaggy cover show up on the screen ?? If you turn away from it too soon, you run the risk of dragging your baits into the first piece of snaggy cover, and if you turn away too late then your baits are subject to being dragged over the second piece of snaggy cover or into shallow water (or deep water) and out of the depth zone you're trying to keep your baits running in. That's why I prefer Pushing over Pulling ... shorter length of line out makes course corrections quicker, plus less line to reel in when a fish is on (less time your attention is away from your screen &/or other rods). The trade-off may be losing more baits to snags (when using weights to Push), since you can't very easily turn around and go back to retrieve a snagged lure (that may be possible when Pulling w/o weights). :twocents
I typically actually want to drag my bait over the hangy cover... With 360 and LS you see it in plenty of time even when pushing.
360 and planer boards should be awesome .
What lb of line do you use when you push, CrappiePappy
If you are pulling jigs and see a brush on your depthfinder it's really too late to change course. If you see a brush and it's high in the water column you can speed up to bring your jigs higher. More times than not I don't intentionally avoid brush if I know it's there. A lot of times you can pick a few off it. I may lose a couple jigs, but they are cheap. With 10-16 rods out pulling, I'm not stopping to try and retrieve a bait. If I were messing with crankbaits I'd probably have a different mindset.
I pull with weights. Works just fine. Best of two worlds. I only put out 4 lines. Too many lines out, I might get too excited and blow a hole in my ticker.
The term pushing, as opposed to pulling when trolling has always been a bit confusing too me.
Im pretty much convinced that it varies with individuals.
A tug boat for example will push a barge up against a dock because it has better control when pushing than it does when pulling, where it requires open water in order to do.
So for me space is the determining factor for how much line i have out, followed by water depth.
I also hear the term tight lining used, which i assume is another way to describe pushing.
Im pretty much convinced that spider rig trolling is just another term for tight lining or pushing.
So does it really matter where we sit in the boat or exactly where the rod holders are located when we do any of this?
I know i know that the real pros do it this way. Lol
But im not a pro and not interested in becoming one. Beyond that i always fish alone.
Im seriously considering just having rod holders in the center of my boat on both sides as opposed to both ends.
Seem to me it might be easier to do both at the same time, be more comfortable while doing it, and not need 2 separate fish finders.
With the exception of having rods pointed straight out front, which i could still do if i chose.
Id be interested in knowing if anybody has tried this.
I got dizzy trying to envision everything you were saying ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by CrappiePappy
30lb braid & 20lb mono .... with 6lb test leadersQuote:
Originally Posted by Boa3
:Rofl .... basically I'm saying that when Pulling & the boat does a S curve in the water ... your baits are NOT going to follow that exact same path. They're going to try and stay straight behind the boat .... so the farther behind the boat they are, the less they are affected by your turns. When Pushing, you have shorter lines out, so the baits are going to follow that path more closely than when Pulling. Is that any better an explanation ??Quote:
Originally Posted by USMA65
There was nothing wrong with the explanation the first time, I got it. Mine was a joking reference to your post,, that's all.
:-)
yobuck, IMO I think what you described is exactly right. Tightlining, Spiderrigging, and Pushing are the same in my eyes with the exception of moving at a constant or higher rate of speed when pushing. In general, this method is performed off the front of the boat. Not to say you couldn't catch some off the sides, but I'm a firm believer that more would be caught off the front unless the fish were deep in deeper water. Reason being the boat will spook fish. The advantage to having long poles off the front is the baits get to the fish before the boat. As far as pulling, trolling, or long-lining most are fishing out the back of the boat or a combination of off the sides and out the back. You have a longer line out and less of a chance of the boat spooking fish. I would say if you were going to long-line troll or pull, having all of your rod holders off the sides in the middle of the boat probably wouldn't make or break you, but I think it would hurt you if you were to tightline/push/spiderrig....Just my 2 cents from a non-professionalQuote:
Originally Posted by yobuck
yeah ... we cool !! I just don't always get the pictures in my mind down to words on the screen, and sometimes go into a long drawn out explanation to compensate ... and some people may get lost in the process :biggrinQuote:
Originally Posted by USMA65