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03-03-2020, 10:17 AM
Alphahawk

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Owner floats.

I received my 100mm floats from Chris at Finesse Fishing. For those that don't know I will be using these on Center Hill Lake as it will be raised back to normal pool this spring for the first time in over a decade. The bluegill beds and shellcracker beds will most assuredly be up in the trees as the lake will rise 20 feet from where the fish have been bedding in the last decade I will have to maneuver the boat into the trees and drop a floated Trout Magnet down. I have not float fished in years. These floats are sized depending on what weight you are going to use and when weighted right can detect the faintness bite. Chris was kind enough to test this out with a TM jig head and body for me and says it will work...but mentioned a .7 gram jig head would be better. Really looking forward to this. The float is 100mm long and at its widest is 7mm. I am going to order some of the acorn floats when he gets them in. As one might expect a float designed for the Japanese market is like all their other gear...top notch.*

Regards

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03-03-2020, 10:26 AM
deathb4disco

Is it attached "waggler style" at the bottom? It's hard to tell from the picture.
03-03-2020, 10:31 AM
Alphahawk

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Originally Posted by deathb4disco

Is it attached "waggler style" at the bottom? It's hard to tell from the picture.

Yes it is. New territory for me. As I understand it these are to be used in very little wind on flat waters.

Regards

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03-03-2020, 10:40 AM
deathb4disco

They look good. The Drennal Crystal Wagglers are also very good:

Crystal Wagglers | Drennan International
03-03-2020, 10:48 AM
deathb4disco

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Originally Posted by Alphahawk

... I will have to maneuver the boat into the trees and drop a floated Trout Magnet down.

TIme to buy a Keiryu/Seiryu rod! :)
03-03-2020, 10:52 AM
deathb4disco

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Originally Posted by Alphahawk

... Chris was kind enough to test this out with a TM jig head and body for me and says it will work...but mentioned a .7 gram jig head would be better.

I would lock the float in place with shot and use the lightest jig head you can. For example, if the float will support 1gm, you could put .6 or .7gm around the base of the float and use a .3 or .4gm jig head.
03-03-2020, 02:48 PM
Jim Smith

Couple of questions coming from someone who’s experience in using floats is limited to using 3/4 inch red and white bobbers. Do you plan on using the TM jig heads? What lines would be good to use these type of floats? Would you be using one of your JDM rods and why?
03-03-2020, 03:02 PM
deathb4disco

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Originally Posted by Jim Smith

… from someone who’s experience in using floats is limited to using 3/4 inch red and white bobbers.

Condolences. ;)
03-03-2020, 03:31 PM
Alphahawk

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Originally Posted by Jim Smith

Couple of questions coming from someone who’s experience in using floats is limited to using 3/4 inch red and white bobbers. Do you plan on using the TM jig heads? What lines would be good to use these type of floats? Would you be using one of your JDM rods and why?

My setup will be 4# test line with a diameter of .148mm.....a .5 gram Daiwa Gekkabijin jig head #8 hook with Trout Magnet body. The rod will be the 18 Corto 610 ajing rod...very rigid and very fast. My plan by using 4# test line and the stiff rod is to get them out and turned toward me before they can wrap me around the growth. That is the plan anyway. If I need to add weight to the float I will do that also. From what I gather about the proper way to fish these floats is I only want a slight portion of the top visible. By having it almost at neutral buoyancy you can detect the slightest bite. At least this is the plan anyway....LOL. One thing for sure...this lake will fish far different than it has in many years. I can only imagine all the fish on all that cover. The last time I fished the lake at full pool out of a boat was about 20 years back. According to TWRA when lakes are brought back up to full pool after a lengthy draw down the fishing will be off the charts good for 3-5 years. The past few times this past year I was out on the lake I kept trying to imagine what the spots I was fishing would look like if the water was 20 feet deeper. The amount of growth on the bank in the past 10 years had been crazy. It is going to be interesting for sure.

Regards
03-03-2020, 04:27 PM
deathb4disco

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Originally Posted by Alphahawk

From what I gather about the proper way to fish these floats is I only want a slight portion of the top visible. By having it almost at neutral buoyancy you can detect the slightest bite. At least this is the plan anyway....

I would test the floats before you go. Here's a good DIY video. You can use any container, though: a pitcher, a bucket, a small garbage can, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grsB2Q-GVi0
03-03-2020, 05:42 PM
DockShootinJack

Sounds like you are going to have lots of fun
03-03-2020, 07:55 PM
Tracker12

Thanks for pointing these out. I always like a new float. Ordered a couple 70mm and 100mm.
03-03-2020, 08:35 PM
D10

How did these floats stack up against the Thill floats? I like quality tackle but have lost loads of floats over the years.

When you mentioned that the floats are sensitive, do you mean that you can still feel the bite with the float or detect a bite by site or both? Thanks.

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03-03-2020, 08:46 PM
deathb4disco

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Originally Posted by D10

How did these floats stack up against the Thill floats?

First, there are two kinds of Thill floats: the TG floats (good) and all the others (crap.)

Float sensitivity has much to do with how you shot the float. The Thill TG floats can be made more sensitive with correct shotting. The Thill shy bites and mini shy bites are exceptionally sensitive.

That said, fine Euro pole floats are the most sensitive I've found. See here for pics of mine.

https://www.crappie.com/crappie/panf...r-gills-6.html

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Originally Posted by D10

When you mentioned that the floats are sensitive, do you mean that you can still feel the bite with the float or detect a bite by site or both?

With a good float, you will see the bite long before you feel it. The one exception I've found is when carp fishing. Carp bites can be so sudden and strong, you will feel the bite almost simultaneously with the float going under.
03-03-2020, 08:55 PM
Alphahawk

What Disco said. This will be my first go at waggler type floats. I am hoping the float being neutral, and gives you a visual indication if a fish even nudges it.....will help an aging man with some advance notice of a bite over the standard type floats.

Regards

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03-03-2020, 09:00 PM
deathb4disco

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Originally Posted by D10

How did these floats stack up against the Thill floats?

These floats are very light and sensitive.

From Chris' website. (Chris is a member here and a good guy, for anybody who didn't know that.)

Proper shotting of a still water float can be far more complex than I can get into here, but the primary thing to remember is to add enough weight so that only the bristle or even just a portion of the bristle is showing above the surface. With the 70mm Top Floats, three #6 Dinsmore shot may be sufficient, depending on the weight of your hook and bait. You might be able to add one #10 shot to that. Four #6 shot or a single BB shot would be too much. With the 100mm Top Floats, you may need two BB shot, or two BB shot plus one or more smaller shot, depending on the weight of your hook and bait.

https://www.tenkarabum.com/top-floats.html

The shot he's talking about are small, much smaller than most people are used to using. Most fly shops (including Bass Pro and Cabela's) carry the Dinsmore shot.
03-03-2020, 09:08 PM
deathb4disco

I just checked my shot. Here are the Dinsmore shot sizes:

AAA = .8g
BB = .4g
1 = .3g
4 = .2g
6 = .1g
8 = .06g

I used to have a bunch of 10's and 12's but, they were so tiny, I never used them. They're called "dust shot" for a reason. :)
03-03-2020, 09:14 PM
deathb4disco

The Dinsmore shot is a soft, English shot (good for thin JDM lines.) Another good option is Super Doux. This is French shot and is carried by many fly shops.
03-03-2020, 09:20 PM
skeetbum

Yet another thing for me to try my hand at.

If you can’t find shot the right size you can make your own from a shotgun shell. Just tapping a knife ona piece of shot gives enough of a groove to work. For small stuff this might help.
03-04-2020, 08:24 AM
Chris Stewart

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Originally Posted by deathb4disco

https://www.tenkarabum.com/top-floats.html

The shot he's talking about are small, much smaller than most people are used to using. Most fly shops (including Bass Pro and Cabela's) carry the Dinsmore shot.

On the floats page there is a link to a page with the Dinsmore shot.
03-04-2020, 09:12 AM
Alphahawk

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Originally Posted by Chris Stewart

On the floats page there is a link to a page with the Dinsmore shot.

Hoping I don't have to do that but good info to know. I'm not sure I could even some of them....LOL.

Regards
03-09-2020, 10:34 AM
deathb4disco

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Originally Posted by Alphahawk

I will have to maneuver the boat into the trees and drop a floated Trout Magnet down

Sorry for the late reply. I just remembered this.

Anyway, if you're dropping the TM straight down, the Thill Center Slider is a great alternative:

Thill Gold Medal Center Slider Float | FishUSA

It can handle more weight, so you can use bigger shot and let the TM balance it so that just the tip shows.
03-10-2020, 10:50 PM
catchNgrease

Reminds me of a Quill. Love me some Quill Blue Gill catching.

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