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The pressure on Martin is getting strong. Making it harder to get them to bite imma thinking that the livescope is increasingly making this an issue. If you don’t have one your odds are going down big time. I’ve been with a couple cats that use them and they hammer the holes pretty hard. Dead on the schools of fish. I watched several schools move away from structure as I caught a few on my 360 today. Just some thoughts.
Hmmm...
Lee I really like mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by BAMA S
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Phillips I’m not saying they don’t work. I’m saying the fish don’t have a chance.
Well I've seen fish on electronics and they wouldn't bite so I don't think you're going to catch all the fish in the lake but I have seen what you're taking about first hand. I think its more the numbers of Fishermen than the tec.
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I wouldn’t condemn anyone for using them,but my opinion is it’s really gonna hurt the poor fishermen who can’t afford them. Also the ones who fishing is more than catching a limit every time out.
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I think its going to hurt the amount of big crappie in a lake. Before you could find the fish now you can target the big ones. I see more limits or restrictions applied in future as this becomes more prevalent.
Having a bunch of high tech stuff is not going to make you a better fisherman. I know people who spend a lot of money on all the latest gadgets and can't catch a cold. Technology helps good fishermen because it helps them eliminate unproductive water quickly. But once you find them you have to do something to catch them. I don't think it will hurt the poor fisherman because they dont' have technology. Knowing the lake and what the fish do at various times of the yr is much more important. I can go to Nickajack, the upper end of Guntersville and never turn a depth finder on and catch fish because I grew up there and Know the water where the channels ect Same For Weiss Ive fished it so much I know where and when the fish should be. I rely more on my electronics for navigation than I do finding fish. If fishing else where is like here and Neely you dont need anything. Just look till you see a bunch of boats ganged up and go there and fish
And meanwhile if steamboats were a dime a dozen.... I would run the bank hollering dern that's cheap!
I can tell you first hand, finding crappie does NOT make them bite. Same with striper and bass. I have a livescope. I have put baits smack in their face and got ignored plenty. Sure, you can catch them better when they are feeding, but , just finding them is not the cure all.
I've done this as well. I literally tried every jig in my boat one day, including live bait, and they just wouldn't eat.Quote:
Originally Posted by KHNC
I'm with you coach, I see people just getting into fish and that's the first thing they do is try to buy there way to being a good Fisherman. I can buy the best golf clubs and I'm not going to be Tiger Woods.Sent from my SM-G965U using Crappie.com Fishing mobile appQuote:
Originally Posted by footballcoach
Totally disagree. Look at the top tournament winners and guides . They are telling us their using live scope to chase big fish until they bite . Way more , and larger fish are being caught by these professionals. 3 man limits are what their removing daily now. Yes the poor man is at a disadvantage. These “professionals know the lakes they guide just as the poor man does , and have technology like we’ve never seen before. It makes a difference.
Why you gotta pick on me like that? :dono rotfl My LS hasn't helped me catch a whole lot of fish yet, but it's sure helped me not fish but just a minute or two where the fish weren't. I have used it once on Neely to pinpoint where fish were under a dock and once on Guntersville to catch fish in a tree top. Cowboy knew where the fish under that dock were from experience, but I lack the experience and could easily see them on the LS. They aren't for everybody but they definitely help those of us trying to learn how and where to catch them.Quote:
Originally Posted by footballcoach
I'm not picking on you buddy. You know I would not do that. But you have about got it figured out. Whether its fishing, fighting or making love it is hard to beat experience. Cowboy and Glenn can catch them out of a Canoe shooting docks because they know what they are doing! They could do it on any lake that had docks. It might take them some time to figure it out but they would. In reference to Pros, I know a lot of guys on here If they had unlimited time a free boat with all the bells and whistles and free gear provided by sponsors they would catch more fish than they already do. Like me, most work for a living. I am not telling anyone how to spend their money. I'm just saying to be real good at anything you have to put time in and learn. I also don't think you have to be wealthy to catch fish. I know a lot of old guys that catch a lot of fish with just basic set ups but they know their lake and have years of experience. Livescopes are not going to destroy the crappie populations. God Will take care of his creation. He tells us that in his word. Technology can't control cold fronts high water and mother nature.Quote:
Originally Posted by FurFlyin
Tell that to all the Sauger fishermen.
I knew you weren’t coach, just having a little fun with you
I remember when side image came out, people had this same discussion about it on this very site. I have a good friend that started crappie fishing a few years ago and he's got the best electronics you can buy at the time he started (hummingbird 360 + SI) his best day on his own is around 20 crappie. I've fished with him and tried to teach him and he's probably never going to catch limits regularly. I fish 3 or more times a week in the spring summer and fall and see few people catching limits except for the very best days.
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Lee, I use my si and di to find structure then use my live scope to see if fish are there. I have found structure that was loaded with fish, but just because they are there doesn’t mean they are going to bite. The live scope does not take into account barometric pressure, muddy water, rising or falling water, it is just a tool and nothing more. May some are better at using it than others The real problem lies too many guides that are on the water 300 days a year and keep anything that swims short fish or keepers, you multiply that by 3 people in a boat that is 90 fish a day x 300 and that is a lot of fish. Here on Weiss there are maybe 60 guides that my friend adds up to a lot of fish leaving the lake in a year.Quote:
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Just my two cents, but you can have a tree top full of Crappie and shake every bait in you boat at them some days without a bite. I'm sure you could watch them on live video without any luck some days. Then suddenly fill a box in 30 minutes. Most of what I'm do is catching the one or two fish on a piece of cover that are actively biting and continue to move. The people that can wear out the Crappie don't need the expensive electronics and no amount of money will buy a bite.
If you can combine knowledge and the help of electronics you've got a winning combo.
Buddy of mine several years ago started trying to figure out Crappie and would fish with me regularly. He started in my extra kayak, move to a used flat bottom, used boat, new boat and finally a $45k new boat with all the bells and whistles. He never could put more than a handful of Crappie in the boat on a good day. He followed me around one day in the $45k rig with me in my kayak. I got a limit and he scored a hand full. You can't buy your way into a full box with Crappie, LOL.
I think that’s my biggest problem. I started trying to catch crappie to late in life. Between work,family and playing music I don’t have time to get the experience and figure things out like it takes. When I was younger I’d catfish every weekend and 2 or 3 times during the week. I know they are easier than crappie but I could smoke everyone I knew. Cause I knew where they would be and what they would bite at certain times. Just don’t have time to figure everything I need to know about crappie. But I’m still gonna try every chance I get. LolQuote:
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It just makes fishing easy for the younger generation. Now days they dont ha e to do there homework.
I totally agree with you coach. I have paid a lot of money for 3 different fish/depth finders over the last several years. I have used them more for night and fog navigation than I have for finding fish. I have only used them maybe a total of 3 times to locate fish. I will admit I am dumb when it comes to using electronics. I would like a livescope just to see what the hype is about, but then I know I would not be able to figure it out and I probably would not use it anymore than I have used my other ones. I have never had trouble catching fish in the areas I fish. I even went to a few other lakes I never fished and picked up pretty quick there as well. I have fished since I was a young boy and learned from experience. I learned over 90% of what I know on my own through time spent on the water. Anyone who has ever fished with me will tell you I know how to fish. Yes I have bad days but everyone does. I can say that I have had way more good days than bad days in my lifetime. I'm not against electronics at all. I would not mind having a livescope, but I have caught lots of crappie off the cheapest equipment you can buy. I grew up a poor boy, so I had to use what I could afford, hand me down stuff, and even old rods I would find while fishing. I have had the discussion with people before when they have tried to tell me they can catch way more crappie on this or that than I can on the less expensive equipment. I just laugh to myself because I have also tried some of the expensive equipment and proven time and time again that a poor boy can and will always catch fish if he knows what he is doing. Like someone else said, I think the guides who spend 300 or more days a year fishing are hurting the fish more than electronics, but they are making their living doing it.
So I’m going to chime in here, all of us love crappie fishing, we can’t help what other people do or think. I have had LiveScope for a year now and I love it . It is a great tool, still doesn’t put fish in the boat. The greater issue I think is us....are we conservative with our catch? I don’t go on a. Rush pile and rake it , if I’m on a school of fish it’s hard to leave them but I do. Two schools of thought well if I don’t keep them someone else will? I don’t kill any fish over 14” release all big fish unharmed. If you keep a limit I’m good . It is up to us to respect what the Lord has given us to be good stewards of. The reason I left the bass world was because of the way that community as a whole really is. The crappie community is just completely different I for one don’t intend to be the one who change that. Love y’all let’s keep tight together and welcome the newbies . Keep what you plan on using and release the rest. Lord bless and keep you
My 2 cents on livescope.
It is amazing. No, it don’t put fish in the boat for you.
But, it teaches you things you’ve never noticed. How easily a fish is spooked but at the same time how a noise you think should spook them don’t. Kinda like deer hunting.. a tree falls.. deer don’t move, you sniff and they run out of the county! [emoji23]
How fast they swim just cruzing around. How tight they will stick to cover and not move, but how far they will move to eat a jig. I’ve see them come up 6-7 feet to hit a falling jig and seen them follow a jig the the bottom to eat it.
I sat a day aside about 2 weeks ago to practice livescope. 5” of rain the day before, muddy rising water, windy.. worst conditions.
Watched 8 fish in a tree top. I sat there locked on them for 5 hours just aggravating them and every single one of them eventually bit.
With that said, yes without livescope I could have still seen the fish holding with side imaging, but if it weren’t for the live imaging I watched the fish stay there and knew 100% it was crappie and they were there.
I still think side imaging is the #1 tool for locating crappie, but I think livescope is the absolute best tool for targeting and catching.
With it you know 100% you bait is in front of the stubborn fish.
It don’t make you the greatest fisherman ever, but it does make you better because you have the electronics giving you live returns of what’s around you.
Again like a trail camera, if you have a picture of a big ol buck, you tend to sit longer, walk quieter, hunt better.
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Great info Dee F . Thanks for sharing. The moral of the story is if your a good fisherman, and have the ability to get the most potential out of the electronics , your going to catch more fish.