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Ive been using the tips of hackle for jig tails and adding V sections to beef it up.
But what about using a the V for the actual tail?
Waste of time?
(Only the soft part)
Good. Bad?
Trying to get more jigs out of a feather.
Thanks
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Actually some jigs are made with only the V's. The original gray jig is tied using V's only. I personally like this style as it keeps the bait smaller. This seems to help with short strikes I feel like. I probably tie more jigs with just V's and the occasional small tip.
How many would you put on a jig?Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave336
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I too have tied using just the V's. 2 or 3 is usually how many I used. Really depends on how full you want the tail section to be
I usually do 3 or 4. Depending on what I have cut and have available. I don't like wasting feathers. I actually keep little leftovers in a bag. I'm not sure there is a right or wrong way just what looks good to you.
Do yall leave in a V shape or just gather it up to a point?
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I just tie them in like normal. When you tie them it sort of forces the barbs back. The attached the green, white/green, and gray ghost are all just V's. If they have any tip it is very small to blend in with the V's. Actually if you look at the top pink jig it has a very small tip section you can see. I cut my V's a little longer 1/2" or so for longer tails and then smaller 1/4" for shorter.
The original Gray Ghost had no hackle tip and was just the little V's! So think it would just fine and have tied a good many jigs like that!
Skip
Just pinch them together and tie them in. When I use a tip I lay it down first and then I put 3 V;s on top and I pick them all up at one time, then I make sure to pinch them together from the side as best I can, then tie them all in a one time.Quote:
Originally Posted by brettw
However just using V's will work fine! Then just pinch and tie in.
Skip
These are Hackle tails that I wanted to try and they have no tip!
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Good looking examples
Those look good Skip.
At one time I heard a V’s only jig called a stinger, and I have tied a lot of them. I use 1/4” pieces and never thought of using them any bigger. I have used bigger pieces once on a 1/4oz minnow head jig I tied. The smaller more compact profile has put a lot of fish in the live well for me.
I'm glad this was brought up. I'm still having a little trouble with hackle.
Couple good videos on this subject. One from SK and another from Skip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e22e25nOhbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz0_yvw1MCI&feature=youtu.be
Good video
Cutting it is not a problem. Tying it in and keep it from rolling is.
I have that same problem. I’ve seen and found that if you start tying it in a little bit closer towards you as you wrap the tread around it will rotate hopefully into position. Don’t be afraid to unwrap and try again. I have to all the time. Skip has a good explanation somewhere on CDC. I will see if I can find it.
This video from Skip shows him tying the tail and then releasing material and it rotate into position before tightening securely.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hsEIlW...ature=youtu.be
A few loose wraps and then pulling them tight helps to stop a lot of the roll
I’m the opposite Jack, if I’m tying, it’s tight. I also lay them on one by one a lot. One at twelve o’clock, one at one, one at eleven, another at twelve, and so on. Flash location also gets changed, some tied in first, sometimes added as I add V’s.
some reason it double posted
I don't have a 800$ vise
I got no hope
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Nah, not needed. I started with the AA vise and I tied just as good with it as I do with my Peak vise. The peak helps with rotating to view the sides and then glueing but the end product is the same. Your jigs look good. We still have hope for you....:Rofl
Send me your vise for a demo tryout.
Thanks
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No problem. Where would you like me to send the AA vise? :biggrin
What Supa Dave said, Not Needed!! I've thought about upgrading too a Renzetti or Peak. This one lays nicely in my craftsman tool box... & can still hold a jighead. Whipped these up tonightQuote:
Originally Posted by brettw
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Oh, and these have tips and V's mixed :fish
Doesn't;t matter what vise you have, it matters only the techniques you use in the tying. That is why I pics the lessons at FAOL, they know their stuff so well aunt ease are the same lessons I used 15 years ago to lear so much! I know it's flies, but I also know they use the same materials we do and even more than we do. SO All one needs to do is find a fly lesson they are tying that uses the same kind of materials you want to use and see how they tie it in and use it. There is so much valuable info right here on the internet, but it's not a video, well I guess that not easy enough so we should all avoid it, lol! Give it a shot at learning all you want to know!
Click on Fly Tying, then Beginning Tying, laster intermediate and finally later on the advanced.
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Skip
[QUOTE=skiptomylu;3900908]Doesn't;t matter what vise you have, it matters only the techniques you use in the tying. That is why I pics the lessons at FAOL, they know their stuff so well aunt ease are the same lessons I used 15 years ago to lear so much! I know it's flies, but I also know they use the same materials we do and even more than we do. SO All one needs to do is find a fly lesson they are tying that uses the same kind of materials you want to use and see how they tie it in and use it. There is so much valuable info right here on the internet, but it's not a video, well I guess that not easy enough so we should all avoid it, lol! Give it a shot at learning all you want to know!
Click on Fly Tying, then Beginning Tying, laster intermediate and finally later on the advanced.
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Where do yall get the hackel you use and what kind are you buying
I prefer to tie on #4 hooks 1/24 & 1/6 oz and alot of the hackel I have the v's I cut aren't long enough to make a decent tail on the jig after the tip is cut out I feel like the rest of the feather is a waste
What kind of hackle are you using?
I use the saltwater hackle and it all came from Skip.
X2! Call Skip, he has the goodies, and the knowledge!!Quote:
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Great information for sure!! I have been struggling making hackle tails look right
Everyone ties a little different but the end result is very close to the same. Positioning the feather is something that is only perfected with time on the vise. Skip puts his feather and v’s together and applies them all at the same time. Try as I might I just can’t get that done. I apply the hackle, futz with it til I like it, then apply the v’s one or two at a time. I sometimes add a second hackle feather for bulk further out from the body and then add big v’s. Does well on 1/8 #2 heads. Keep after it and don’t get discouraged.Quote:
Originally Posted by deepfry
I just add “v’s” for color variation if at all. Makes more use of area. Most of my jigs are larger profile and usually bigger hooks. If I’m pitching or dropping into a top or cover, I don’t believe fish are studying my jig. Especially if I’m hitting them in the head with it.
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