Kentucky is using ‘shocking’ boats to show just how bad its Asian carp problem is | WHNT.com
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That’s a LOT of carp for sure!!
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Seems to me that may be the best solution for now. Allow the commercial fisherman to shock them and harvest them just leave the sport fish. Just my 2 cents.
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big market for them in asian communities, animal feed and as natural fertilizer instead of chemicals. give financial incentives to make operations profitable and they will come and greatly reduce these things.
will that work for crappie lol
I wouldn't call it "big" as without all the subsidies being provided by KDFWR and the government there would not be enough incentive to go after them.Quote:
Originally Posted by hdhntr
It's taken a BUNCH of effort to get the subsidies in place and the get the price up to around $0.15 per pound.
As for it's use in the Asian market, surimi is what's being turned into, which is basically fish paste, and commonly sold as imitation crab meat. I don't know if you've bought much surimi before, but it's cheap.
As for it's use in animal feed, the processing costs are high leading to an expensive product that most people aren't willing to pay extra for. There are a couple of dog food brands currently using Asian carp as the protein source, and it's crazy expensive.
As for it's use as fertilizer, the processing costs are high compared to existing less expensive sources, making it a product with higher costs than the standard.
So when you say "big market for them in asian communities, animal feed and as natural fertilizer instead of chemicals" it sounds good and all, but if it were true it would have happened already. It's taken public interest and public outcry to get the money flowing to help with the problem, money has always been the biggest hurdle in this battle.
Absolutely, which I believe is why the method has to be heavily regulated with stiff penalties for harvesting anything but Asian carp.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyr3_8
artcarney, the 'shocking' seems to be the way to go for these especially at the 'blockade' areas below the dams where they are sitting and waiting to move into the lakes through the locks. Don't know what the 'shocking' equipment costs, but from the pictures I saw, it's a very quick and efficient method for the commercial fishermen to use below these dams and may be more efficient time wise than using nets if the equipment cost is not too high. Hopefully, our KY wildlife people can get this method approved for the commercial fishermen, especially below Barkley and KY dams.
Yep. I don't know a whole lot about the shocking process, but I would think it would require extensive training and safety measures since there's elevated risk anytime you've got electricity and water mixing together.Quote:
Originally Posted by perchjerker108
I would think it's also a slippery slope to the method as well, due to trying to be fair to those who are using traditional methods of netting. I don't know what the shocking method equipment would cost, but I bet it's not cheap.
I thought for a while KDFWR was testing the use of a combo of a Paupier net and the electrofishing method. I haven't seen much on that for a while now. I guess it wasn't as effective as they had hoped, or maybe the by-catch of paddlefish was too high? I would think shocking and then having nets that you could crank up with winches would be an effective method to hauling big numbers of carp into the boat versus one at a time with a dipnet.
ArtCarney, thanks for the information/input. I think the idea of having a large cast net with a winch to haul them in after shocking would be the best if we could get there. Yep, the electro shocking may require some type of training and certification, but I agree this is the way to go for fish below the dams. They are there in huge numbers as far as I know and would eliminate a pile of potential fish getting through the 'Trial' barrier that is planned. The barrier if it works does not reduce the fish numbers, just keeps them away from an area based on what I read. We need to remove them, not scare them off.
The BAFF will keep them out of the lock, which is the goal of it. The Asian carp are getting into the lakes through the lock........you take that video above and imagine all those in the lock at one time. Keeping them out of the lock keeps them out of the lake.Quote:
Originally Posted by perchjerker108
Asian carp can't have a successful spawn without enough current, conditions haven't been right for a spawn in KY or Barkley since 2015.
Read the thread I put up last week. It's full of good info.
https://www.crappie.com/crappie/kent...w-barkley-dam/
Just wondering? Does anyone see any other fish species but Asian carp come to the surface on the shocking video? Is it due to shocking only to a certain debth or are they not in the area because scared of them?
Also why can’t the state use some of the $ to hire a couple of new employees to do the shocking and removal below all dams where they concentrate? Just wondering!
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It would seem to be a great idea! Dedicate a full time crew to electroshocking/removing these rascals. I'm sure we would quickly learn about their lack of finances to do so...sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pontoon fishing
I’d volunteer to help!! Bet some of you all would as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by redearhoosier
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Guys, I'm with you. Since they are 'stacked' up below the dams, get them out with what looks like an easy way to remove them with the shocking method. This would reduce the numbers that may slip through the proposed 'Barrier', and hopefully restore the fisheries below these dams.
You talk about back pain. Dipping 15lb. Fish for 8 hr. Not many people would or could do that.
Nope, especially for the low pay you get in return....hence the problem since day 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by crappie flash
Artcarney, Crappie Flash. I agree, if you could not come up with a netting system and wench system to capture and pull in the stunted carp, it would be really too much work and not effective for fish by fish capture in the long run. Eventually, someone will get a system that does shock the fish, then they cast or drop nets from poles extended out and winch in the catch and lifting the catch into the boat. Someone will figure this out. The problem is not going away in the near future. Also, too many easy concentrated fish below all these dams at all times not for someone figure out a quick and easier way to get them in the boat for harvest and actually make some money.